And up 500 D3 coaches, many of whom who don't have 6-8 teams, from where it was 6 months ago.

There are more users right now. That's a good thing. The question is whether they begin to take more teams and/or stick around.

I think your whole premise is massively flawed. HD is still not being advertised. A few coaches, like you, have resurfaced after extended absences since the rollout of HD 3.0. But the vast majority of these are new accounts. There are 2 options here:

1. a whole bunch of new people found HD without advertising help and decided to try the new game as a result of the FreeHD promotion
2. a whole bunch of existing users created new accounts and took the free season, possibly to scout for their existing teams but, giving them the benefit of the doubt, mostly to just get a few free seasons in, maybe to practice recruiting under the new system and get up to speed faster

A whole lot of option 1 feels like a long shot. How many people just stumble upon WiS? And given that option 2 has happened every time FreeHD has existed in the past, it feels a whole lot more likely.

As you say, we won't know for sure for a while how many new users will be retained. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. But for the time being, history suggests that almost none of the new accounts will still be here, and until proven otherwise, I'm not going to use the huge number of new users in D3 as the basis for a long-term confidence in the health of the game.

Posted by dahsdebater on 12/20/2016 4:25:00 PM (view original):
I think your whole premise is massively flawed. HD is still not being advertised. A few coaches, like you, have resurfaced after extended absences since the rollout of HD 3.0. But the vast majority of these are new accounts. There are 2 options here:

1. a whole bunch of new people found HD without advertising help and decided to try the new game as a result of the FreeHD promotion
2. a whole bunch of existing users created new accounts and took the free season, possibly to scout for their existing teams but, giving them the benefit of the doubt, mostly to just get a few free seasons in, maybe to practice recruiting under the new system and get up to speed faster

A whole lot of option 1 feels like a long shot. How many people just stumble upon WiS? And given that option 2 has happened every time FreeHD has existed in the past, it feels a whole lot more likely.

As you say, we won't know for sure for a while how many new users will be retained. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. But for the time being, history suggests that almost none of the new accounts will still be here, and until proven otherwise, I'm not going to use the huge number of new users in D3 as the basis for a long-term confidence in the health of the game.

You're ignoring the fact my youtube series did several advertising for whatifsports. I even got credits 2$ worth of credits that expire next year for my social campaign.

Well, we have 10 from HBD in the Little East of Smith. I'm not saying that's commonplace but I'm guessing everyone on the site not playing HD got a free team. I don't think it's insane to believe some users from HBD, SLB, GD or whatever joined together. We had a 91% retention rate from our little group of 11.

The truth is, I was bored with SLB when HD came out. HD is a nice diversion from HBD. Surely I'm not the only one who feels that way. Are there 500 of us? Unlikely.

Posted by CoachWard95 on 12/20/2016 4:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 12/20/2016 4:25:00 PM (view original):
I think your whole premise is massively flawed. HD is still not being advertised. A few coaches, like you, have resurfaced after extended absences since the rollout of HD 3.0. But the vast majority of these are new accounts. There are 2 options here:

1. a whole bunch of new people found HD without advertising help and decided to try the new game as a result of the FreeHD promotion
2. a whole bunch of existing users created new accounts and took the free season, possibly to scout for their existing teams but, giving them the benefit of the doubt, mostly to just get a few free seasons in, maybe to practice recruiting under the new system and get up to speed faster

A whole lot of option 1 feels like a long shot. How many people just stumble upon WiS? And given that option 2 has happened every time FreeHD has existed in the past, it feels a whole lot more likely.

As you say, we won't know for sure for a while how many new users will be retained. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. But for the time being, history suggests that almost none of the new accounts will still be here, and until proven otherwise, I'm not going to use the huge number of new users in D3 as the basis for a long-term confidence in the health of the game.

You're ignoring the fact my youtube series did several advertising for whatifsports. I even got credits 2$ worth of credits that expire next year for my social campaign.

I honestly don't know if you're serious or if you're mocking yourself a little. I'm assuming, from the way people respond to your youtube, that you're serious. But it would be a lot funnier if you were poking fun at yourself.

Because I'm such a nice guy. Here are the population numbers for all worlds currently.

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=498438

Posted by CoachWard95 on 12/20/2016 4:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 12/20/2016 4:25:00 PM (view original):
I think your whole premise is massively flawed. HD is still not being advertised. A few coaches, like you, have resurfaced after extended absences since the rollout of HD 3.0. But the vast majority of these are new accounts. There are 2 options here:

1. a whole bunch of new people found HD without advertising help and decided to try the new game as a result of the FreeHD promotion
2. a whole bunch of existing users created new accounts and took the free season, possibly to scout for their existing teams but, giving them the benefit of the doubt, mostly to just get a few free seasons in, maybe to practice recruiting under the new system and get up to speed faster

A whole lot of option 1 feels like a long shot. How many people just stumble upon WiS? And given that option 2 has happened every time FreeHD has existed in the past, it feels a whole lot more likely.

As you say, we won't know for sure for a while how many new users will be retained. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. But for the time being, history suggests that almost none of the new accounts will still be here, and until proven otherwise, I'm not going to use the huge number of new users in D3 as the basis for a long-term confidence in the health of the game.

You're ignoring the fact my youtube series did several advertising for whatifsports. I even got credits 2$ worth of credits that expire next year for my social campaign.

It was key to the explosion of new owners.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/20/2016 4:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachWard95 on 12/20/2016 4:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 12/20/2016 4:25:00 PM (view original):
I think your whole premise is massively flawed. HD is still not being advertised. A few coaches, like you, have resurfaced after extended absences since the rollout of HD 3.0. But the vast majority of these are new accounts. There are 2 options here:

1. a whole bunch of new people found HD without advertising help and decided to try the new game as a result of the FreeHD promotion
2. a whole bunch of existing users created new accounts and took the free season, possibly to scout for their existing teams but, giving them the benefit of the doubt, mostly to just get a few free seasons in, maybe to practice recruiting under the new system and get up to speed faster

A whole lot of option 1 feels like a long shot. How many people just stumble upon WiS? And given that option 2 has happened every time FreeHD has existed in the past, it feels a whole lot more likely.

As you say, we won't know for sure for a while how many new users will be retained. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. But for the time being, history suggests that almost none of the new accounts will still be here, and until proven otherwise, I'm not going to use the huge number of new users in D3 as the basis for a long-term confidence in the health of the game.

You're ignoring the fact my youtube series did several advertising for whatifsports. I even got credits 2$ worth of credits that expire next year for my social campaign.

I honestly don't know if you're serious or if you're mocking yourself a little. I'm assuming, from the way people respond to your youtube, that you're serious. But it would be a lot funnier if you were poking fun at yourself.

The fact that he only got $2 is what everyone should really be up in arms about, not EEs. Highway robbery.

Posted by mbriese on 12/20/2016 5:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/20/2016 4:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachWard95 on 12/20/2016 4:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 12/20/2016 4:25:00 PM (view original):
I think your whole premise is massively flawed. HD is still not being advertised. A few coaches, like you, have resurfaced after extended absences since the rollout of HD 3.0. But the vast majority of these are new accounts. There are 2 options here:

1. a whole bunch of new people found HD without advertising help and decided to try the new game as a result of the FreeHD promotion
2. a whole bunch of existing users created new accounts and took the free season, possibly to scout for their existing teams but, giving them the benefit of the doubt, mostly to just get a few free seasons in, maybe to practice recruiting under the new system and get up to speed faster

A whole lot of option 1 feels like a long shot. How many people just stumble upon WiS? And given that option 2 has happened every time FreeHD has existed in the past, it feels a whole lot more likely.

As you say, we won't know for sure for a while how many new users will be retained. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. But for the time being, history suggests that almost none of the new accounts will still be here, and until proven otherwise, I'm not going to use the huge number of new users in D3 as the basis for a long-term confidence in the health of the game.

You're ignoring the fact my youtube series did several advertising for whatifsports. I even got credits 2$ worth of credits that expire next year for my social campaign.

I honestly don't know if you're serious or if you're mocking yourself a little. I'm assuming, from the way people respond to your youtube, that you're serious. But it would be a lot funnier if you were poking fun at yourself.

The fact that he only got $2 is what everyone should really be up in arms about, not EEs. Highway robbery.

That's great ROI for WIS.

isnt the answer to most of this - reckon we will see in a few months?

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Posted by CoachWard95 on 12/20/2016 4:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 12/20/2016 4:25:00 PM (view original):
I think your whole premise is massively flawed. HD is still not being advertised. A few coaches, like you, have resurfaced after extended absences since the rollout of HD 3.0. But the vast majority of these are new accounts. There are 2 options here:

1. a whole bunch of new people found HD without advertising help and decided to try the new game as a result of the FreeHD promotion
2. a whole bunch of existing users created new accounts and took the free season, possibly to scout for their existing teams but, giving them the benefit of the doubt, mostly to just get a few free seasons in, maybe to practice recruiting under the new system and get up to speed faster

A whole lot of option 1 feels like a long shot. How many people just stumble upon WiS? And given that option 2 has happened every time FreeHD has existed in the past, it feels a whole lot more likely.

As you say, we won't know for sure for a while how many new users will be retained. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. But for the time being, history suggests that almost none of the new accounts will still be here, and until proven otherwise, I'm not going to use the huge number of new users in D3 as the basis for a long-term confidence in the health of the game.

You're ignoring the fact my youtube series did several advertising for whatifsports. I even got credits 2$ worth of credits that expire next year for my social campaign.

I honestly don't know if you're serious or if you're mocking yourself a little. I'm assuming, from the way people respond to your youtube, that you're serious. But it would be a lot funnier if you were poking fun at yourself.

The fact that he only got $2 is what everyone should really be up in arms about, not EEs. Highway robbery.

That's great ROI for WIS.

His videos might actually cost WIS money.

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Posted by zorzii on 12/19/2016 10:13:00 PM (view original):
It's random. I just beat Alabama when I was High, went all-in, we had same preferences. It came down to a roll, the kid was in SC, under 300 miles from Alabama, on the top 100 list for everyone to see. The last four rolls, I won 1 out of 4... was happy to finally catch a break since I had lost two rolls when I was VH to H. There is no strategy in this... you look to the top 100, and think, this kid is good, and hope people get to other battles or fear your prestige or your preferences. If you are in a battle, know you will get to a roll, you focus on this. D1 is in need of some programming.

Sorry kid, you're apparently just as dense as our mets pal. Saying "there's no strategy in this" and 'It's random" is just flagrantly asinine.

I am not a kid. No strategy...

Cool. If there's "no strategy", then prove it. Don't look at who you're scouting, don't bother to prioritize, just randomly select guys to put attention points on. Haphazardly move them around in a "random" way. Don't worry about strategy, right? There is none.

Put your gameplan where your forum drivel is. Show us it's "random".

Knowing how to recruit the "right" way doesn't make you a good recruiter. Your recruiting skill doesn't determine if you sign your target.

Just like in craps where you set up your play to the best of your ability (ie: pick the recruits you're going after), and then the RNG decides if you get anyway. That's not skill based.

You want to look at one microcosm of recruiting that you have control over and then want to say you have control over the whole thing .......... WRONG.

If you think it's just craps, then prove it. Come back and recruit as if it's "all random", and see how well your team does.

Its actually reverse. There is so much skill, so many more strategies to navigate than the duck all bigger fish strategy that dominated 2.0. You are the one choosing to isolate on the chance factor, and concluding that skill has been removed. If you want to stand by that stupid statement, then prove it.

You are the guy who goes to the doctor, finds out he's overweight and has high blood pressure, but refuses to take the doctor's advice seriously because there's a chance he could die from something "random" like a piano falling on his head. There's more skill in the game that currently exists, and the people who will excel at it are going to be the ones who understand how and where to make their choices for the most impact.

Apparently you have a problem with reading comprehension. As I said, you want to look at one microcosm of recruiting that you have control over and then use that small part of the game to say you have control over the whole thing....that's not how it is.

Is putting your money on 6 and winning skill in craps? No, you got lucky that the dice rolled a six. You winning a recruit has nothing to do with skill, you lucked out on the RNG.

Do you really think recruiting players that are of a high level and match your preferences is a skill? Wow - it really takes a genius to do that!

Play the game the way you're saying it works. All random. Don't pay any attention to scouting, prioritizing, or recruiting strategies. Let's see how you do. I'll even pay for your first season's credit.

What part of this don't you get?

"You want to look at one microcosm of recruiting that you have control over and then use that small part of the game to say you have control over the whole thing....that's not how it is."

you are looking at the one microcosm of recruiting that you DONT have control over and then using that small part to say you have control over nothing.

of course there is skill in recruiting still, or else there wouldn't be higher end coaches beating on the ****** recruiters. everything you set up in the game comes down to a series of random dice rolls in the end, would you say games are random too?

recruiting today is some skill, with a random component. that's the reality. trying to argue its all random is silly. nobody i've seen is trying to argue its all skill. this is from a coach who thinks the new system sucks and stopped playing.

btw, your craps analogy is terrible. a much better analogy is: we are playing poker, we both go all-in pre-flop. the next 5 cards are random and determine the outcome. so obviously, luck is a big factor - but so is skill, if i consistently go all-in with better hands then you do, i'm going to take a lot of money off you.

Posted by osuhunter on 12/19/2016 3:05:00 AM (view original):
As a former college volleyball coach, I loved recruitment of players. Nine plus years of Hoops Dynasty in three worlds. The new Hoops recruiting makes a mockery of that aspect. What were you thinking? Other posts detail the problems and the lack of reality. Have a total junior and senior team next season. Will not renew for my team.
Cannot believe how you eliminated the effectiveness of scouting services,, came up with the nebulous idea of "Attention Points" and the recruit controls recruiting through erratically scheduled emails
Please leave Football Dynasty alone!

hey osuhunter - long time no see - 8 years? good luck if you choose to play again!

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Posted by zorzii on 12/19/2016 10:13:00 PM (view original):
It's random. I just beat Alabama when I was High, went all-in, we had same preferences. It came down to a roll, the kid was in SC, under 300 miles from Alabama, on the top 100 list for everyone to see. The last four rolls, I won 1 out of 4... was happy to finally catch a break since I had lost two rolls when I was VH to H. There is no strategy in this... you look to the top 100, and think, this kid is good, and hope people get to other battles or fear your prestige or your preferences. If you are in a battle, know you will get to a roll, you focus on this. D1 is in need of some programming.

Sorry kid, you're apparently just as dense as our mets pal. Saying "there's no strategy in this" and 'It's random" is just flagrantly asinine.

I am not a kid. No strategy...

Cool. If there's "no strategy", then prove it. Don't look at who you're scouting, don't bother to prioritize, just randomly select guys to put attention points on. Haphazardly move them around in a "random" way. Don't worry about strategy, right? There is none.

Put your gameplan where your forum drivel is. Show us it's "random".

Knowing how to recruit the "right" way doesn't make you a good recruiter. Your recruiting skill doesn't determine if you sign your target.

Just like in craps where you set up your play to the best of your ability (ie: pick the recruits you're going after), and then the RNG decides if you get anyway. That's not skill based.

You want to look at one microcosm of recruiting that you have control over and then want to say you have control over the whole thing .......... WRONG.

If you think it's just craps, then prove it. Come back and recruit as if it's "all random", and see how well your team does.

Its actually reverse. There is so much skill, so many more strategies to navigate than the duck all bigger fish strategy that dominated 2.0. You are the one choosing to isolate on the chance factor, and concluding that skill has been removed. If you want to stand by that stupid statement, then prove it.

You are the guy who goes to the doctor, finds out he's overweight and has high blood pressure, but refuses to take the doctor's advice seriously because there's a chance he could die from something "random" like a piano falling on his head. There's more skill in the game that currently exists, and the people who will excel at it are going to be the ones who understand how and where to make their choices for the most impact.

Apparently you have a problem with reading comprehension. As I said, you want to look at one microcosm of recruiting that you have control over and then use that small part of the game to say you have control over the whole thing....that's not how it is.

Is putting your money on 6 and winning skill in craps? No, you got lucky that the dice rolled a six. You winning a recruit has nothing to do with skill, you lucked out on the RNG.

Do you really think recruiting players that are of a high level and match your preferences is a skill? Wow - it really takes a genius to do that!

Play the game the way you're saying it works. All random. Don't pay any attention to scouting, prioritizing, or recruiting strategies. Let's see how you do. I'll even pay for your first season's credit.

What part of this don't you get?

"You want to look at one microcosm of recruiting that you have control over and then use that small part of the game to say you have control over the whole thing....that's not how it is."

you are looking at the one microcosm of recruiting that you DONT have control over and then using that small part to say you have control over nothing.

of course there is skill in recruiting still, or else there wouldn't be higher end coaches beating on the ****** recruiters. everything you set up in the game comes down to a series of random dice rolls in the end, would you say games are random too?

recruiting today is some skill, with a random component. that's the reality. trying to argue its all random is silly. nobody i've seen is trying to argue its all skill. this is from a coach who thinks the new system sucks and stopped playing.

btw, your craps analogy is terrible. a much better analogy is: we are playing poker, we both go all-in pre-flop. the next 5 cards are random and determine the outcome. so obviously, luck is a big factor - but so is skill, if i consistently go all-in with better hands then you do, i'm going to take a lot of money off you.

The poker analogy would only be correct if you were assigned recruits at random to pursue, so it's not really a good analogy.

I like the craps analogy because you have control over where to place your bets but then at the end of the day the determining factor if you win or not is complete, 100% chance.

There isn't much skill in recruiting good players, and there isn't much skill in dividing a budget in a way to make sure that you'll end up at least being high on a recruit's preference list, but I do agree that there is an element of skill there. There is no skill in signing a player though. You have to just hope that the RNG goes your way. In the old system skill actually determined who was going to sign a recruit.

Also, the parts that you do have control over are greatly diminished due to the actual decision process being random. It's possible that someone could execute the best possible recruiting strategy in a single season and then come up empty handed due to the RNG.

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