Posted by cccp1014 on 5/7/2018 10:32:00 AM (view original):
It is a hypothetical. Not everyone believes that institutional racism exists. IF it did exist we would need to fix the problem 100%. But IF the problem doesn't exist and you insist that it does it makes you, the accuser, the actual racist.

Well, then if the question is still up in the air, as you say, then we should not call anyone racist. Fair?

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Posted by strikeout26 on 5/6/2018 10:54:00 PM (view original):
Think about it. Your last presidential candidate ran on the fact that she was a woman. If the dems weren't bigoted, she would have ran on her character,

Hillary didn't have a personality.

Did Obama run on him being black? I don't think so. Obama was running on policy and character and just happened to be black...

I don't see how this is specific to Dems though. Were Trump's comments on Hillary's health not gender-based? His comments that she would not be a strong leader and didn't look like a leader? The birther controversy wasn't race fueled? Obviously none of these things are OK, and what you pointed out is part of the reason why I wasn't fully onboard with Hillary. Again, I preferred Sanders, and if Kasich won the GOP I would have voted for him. If Carson or Rubio won, it would be closer.

Obama may not have ran on his skin color, but the Democratic Party made it very clear that they were running a black candidate. Using Trump as an example isn't going to carry much weight with me. I've made my feelings about him very clear.

You brought up Clinton, who I don't like. I am not calling out your hypocrisy, strikeout. I am saying that if the Dems are racist for running as a woman, Reps are racist for running as a man.

GOP has more logical people in the party vs. the Dems

Rubio, Kasich, Christie, Duffy, etc.

Dems have..um...well...um...

Christie? LOGICAL? AHAHHAAHHAHAHAJAJAHAJAJA

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Posted by cccp1014 on 5/7/2018 10:08:00 AM (view original):
I have explained this to tangplay but he cannot read or comprehend. Black kids from two parent households are significantly more successful than white kids from one parent households. Unfortunately 70% of black kids come from one parent households vs. 40% for white kids.

I have also told tangplay that if ALL people follow these three rules they will not be poor (98% will not be)

#1) Graduate High School
#2) Get a job
#3) Don't become a single parent

The Gov't should be SCREAMING this to every parent and child from pre school on. Forget the race baiting.




A huge one is Two-Parent Privilege. If you are raised by a father and mother, you enter adulthood with more privileges than anyone else in American society, irrespective of race, ethnicity, or sex. That’s why the poverty rate among two-parent black families is only 7%.

So then why all this left-wing talk about white privilege?

The major reason is in order to portray blacks as victims. This achieves two huge goals for the Left — one political, the other philosophical.

The political goal is to ensure that blacks continue to view America as racist. The Left knows that the only way to retain political power in America is to perpetuate the belief among black Americans that their primary problem is white racism. Only then will blacks continue to regard the Left and the Democrats as indispensable.



The philosophical reason is that the Left denies — as it has since Marx — the primacy of moral and cultural values in determining the fate of the individual and of society. In the Left’s view, it is not poor values or a lack of moral self-control that causes crime, but poverty and, in the case of black criminals, racism. Therefore, the disproportionate amount of violent crime committed by black males is not attributable to the moral failure of the black criminal or to the likelihood of his not having been raised by a father, but to an external factor over which he has little or no power — white racism.

Well copied/pasted.

Only the 2nd half. Facts don't care about your feelings. Do you disagree with any of it? If so why?

Uhh the white poverty rate is 8%. So we have an issue if the two-parent black poverty rate is equal to the OVERALL white poverty rate.

Also this isn't about political parties.

Also Also 2% is a pretty large number. I would wager that most of those 2% are not white.

Also Also Also I don't buy that jamming that into people's heads at school will work. Where I went, they already did that.

Posted by tangplay on 5/7/2018 10:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/7/2018 10:32:00 AM (view original):
It is a hypothetical. Not everyone believes that institutional racism exists. IF it did exist we would need to fix the problem 100%. But IF the problem doesn't exist and you insist that it does it makes you, the accuser, the actual racist.

Well, then if the question is still up in the air, as you say, then we should not call anyone racist. Fair?

On that issue, yes. On white privilege. Your rhetoric is the epitome of racism. 100%.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 5/7/2018 10:08:00 AM (view original):
I have explained this to tangplay but he cannot read or comprehend. Black kids from two parent households are significantly more successful than white kids from one parent households. Unfortunately 70% of black kids come from one parent households vs. 40% for white kids.

I have also told tangplay that if ALL people follow these three rules they will not be poor (98% will not be)

#1) Graduate High School
#2) Get a job
#3) Don't become a single parent

The Gov't should be SCREAMING this to every parent and child from pre school on. Forget the race baiting.




A huge one is Two-Parent Privilege. If you are raised by a father and mother, you enter adulthood with more privileges than anyone else in American society, irrespective of race, ethnicity, or sex. That’s why the poverty rate among two-parent black families is only 7%.

So then why all this left-wing talk about white privilege?

The major reason is in order to portray blacks as victims. This achieves two huge goals for the Left — one political, the other philosophical.

The political goal is to ensure that blacks continue to view America as racist. The Left knows that the only way to retain political power in America is to perpetuate the belief among black Americans that their primary problem is white racism. Only then will blacks continue to regard the Left and the Democrats as indispensable.



The philosophical reason is that the Left denies — as it has since Marx — the primacy of moral and cultural values in determining the fate of the individual and of society. In the Left’s view, it is not poor values or a lack of moral self-control that causes crime, but poverty and, in the case of black criminals, racism. Therefore, the disproportionate amount of violent crime committed by black males is not attributable to the moral failure of the black criminal or to the likelihood of his not having been raised by a father, but to an external factor over which he has little or no power — white racism.

Well copied/pasted.

Only the 2nd half. Facts don't care about your feelings. Do you disagree with any of it? If so why?

Uhh the white poverty rate is 8%. So we have an issue if the two-parent black poverty rate is equal to the OVERALL white poverty rate.

Also this isn't about political parties.

Also Also 2% is a pretty large number. I would wager that most of those 2% are not white.

Also Also Also I don't buy that jamming that into people's heads at school will work. Where I went, they already did that.

2% is a large number in terms of absolute mathematics but 2% is fairly small overall.

Whites are at 10% not 8% and African Americans are at 27%. But when they have two parents the delta is 20%!!!!!

The reason it is so high though is what we discussed. Due to slavery and unfair treatment in the past by your ancestors (racists), the African American community has not benefited from multi generational wealth being passed on, etc. They will get there now that the country has righted itself. I am in the same boat being a 2nd generation American. But again a 20% delta is gigantic. So we can get it down to 7% and then much much much lower as the multi generational wealth builds and the two parent household mantra is wide spread.

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Posted by tangplay on 5/6/2018 5:04:00 PM (view original):
You have systematic advantages over others because of your skin color. Thus you have more privilege because you are white.

I made the post because it warps your words out of context and takes it to the extreme. Which is the exact thing you do.

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

I don't see how saying that black people have systematic disadvantages is racist. It's more racist to say that black people fail because their culture is inferior.

I don't think black people fail. I think PEOPLE fail. Are you saying me being white gives me an advantage over someone who is Asian?

Y or N?

N

Oh, so black people fail at a higher rate because they, on average, are failures. Thanks for sharing.

They fail at a higher rate because 70% come from one parent households. I have told you this before. Are you ignoring my posts on purpose?

Lol. Says the guy who misuses my words. I am intentionally doing this.

So tell me why more black people come from single parent households.

#1) Lack of education
#2) Lack of contraception
#3) Gov't gives free $$ to single parents

This is for ALL people. In terms of the African American community it is culture based. Kids see their parents doing it so they do it too and the cycle continues. Several do break it. The key is to educate the kids to break it. Graduate HS, get a job and don't be a single parent. My kids are in middle school and the school system does not preach that mantra and they don't discuss contraception or sex education. It is taboo. Heck it is taboo to ask what gender a kid is these days.

So it is up to the parents but when you only have one they cannot be a parent and a provider and an educator so the cycle continues. It is at 40% with white kids so it is a problem for all colors. The reason that Jews and Asian Americans are so much more successful is because generally these kids come from two parent households.

We need to do more to perpetuate the two parent household vs. fighting over racism and prejudice. Period. If you cannot see that, tangplay, they you are either blind or just a terrible person. Or both.

I 100% agree with you that this is a major problem. However, you dodged the question. You have stated repeatedly that the reason for the divides between white and black people is the two-parent problem. I asked why black people have higher rates of single parenthood. I want you to explain that to me. There is a 30% difference between races.

Q: Why do black people have a 70% rate of single parenthood, while white people are at 40%?

I already answered that question

Here it is again:





#1) Lack of education
#2) Lack of contraception
#3) Gov't gives free $$ to single parents

This is for ALL people. In terms of the African American community it is culture based. Kids see their parents doing it so they do it too and the cycle continues. Several do break it. The key is to educate the kids to break it. Graduate HS, get a job and don't be a single parent. My kids are in middle school and the school system does not preach that mantra and they don't discuss contraception or sex education. It is taboo. Heck it is taboo to ask what gender a kid is these days.

So it is up to the parents but when you only have one they cannot be a parent and a provider and an educator so the cycle continues. It is at 40% with white kids so it is a problem for all colors. The reason that Jews and Asian Americans are so much more successful is because generally these kids come from two parent households.

We need to do more to perpetuate the two parent household vs. fighting over racism and prejudice. Period. If you cannot see that, tangplay, they you are either blind or just a terrible person. Or both.

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/7/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Here it is again:





#1) Lack of education
#2) Lack of contraception
#3) Gov't gives free $$ to single parents

This is for ALL people. In terms of the African American community it is culture based. Kids see their parents doing it so they do it too and the cycle continues. Several do break it. The key is to educate the kids to break it. Graduate HS, get a job and don't be a single parent. My kids are in middle school and the school system does not preach that mantra and they don't discuss contraception or sex education. It is taboo. Heck it is taboo to ask what gender a kid is these days.

So it is up to the parents but when you only have one they cannot be a parent and a provider and an educator so the cycle continues. It is at 40% with white kids so it is a problem for all colors. The reason that Jews and Asian Americans are so much more successful is because generally these kids come from two parent households.

We need to do more to perpetuate the two parent household vs. fighting over racism and prejudice. Period. If you cannot see that, tangplay, they you are either blind or just a terrible person. Or both.

So you stated three points then immediately say that this is for ALL people. So why the 30% gap?

Where did the cycle start for African-Americans and why didn't it start for white people?

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Posted by cccp1014 on 5/7/2018 10:08:00 AM (view original):
I have explained this to tangplay but he cannot read or comprehend. Black kids from two parent households are significantly more successful than white kids from one parent households. Unfortunately 70% of black kids come from one parent households vs. 40% for white kids.

I have also told tangplay that if ALL people follow these three rules they will not be poor (98% will not be)

#1) Graduate High School
#2) Get a job
#3) Don't become a single parent

The Gov't should be SCREAMING this to every parent and child from pre school on. Forget the race baiting.




A huge one is Two-Parent Privilege. If you are raised by a father and mother, you enter adulthood with more privileges than anyone else in American society, irrespective of race, ethnicity, or sex. That’s why the poverty rate among two-parent black families is only 7%.

So then why all this left-wing talk about white privilege?

The major reason is in order to portray blacks as victims. This achieves two huge goals for the Left — one political, the other philosophical.

The political goal is to ensure that blacks continue to view America as racist. The Left knows that the only way to retain political power in America is to perpetuate the belief among black Americans that their primary problem is white racism. Only then will blacks continue to regard the Left and the Democrats as indispensable.



The philosophical reason is that the Left denies — as it has since Marx — the primacy of moral and cultural values in determining the fate of the individual and of society. In the Left’s view, it is not poor values or a lack of moral self-control that causes crime, but poverty and, in the case of black criminals, racism. Therefore, the disproportionate amount of violent crime committed by black males is not attributable to the moral failure of the black criminal or to the likelihood of his not having been raised by a father, but to an external factor over which he has little or no power — white racism.

Well copied/pasted.

Only the 2nd half. Facts don't care about your feelings. Do you disagree with any of it? If so why?

Uhh the white poverty rate is 8%. So we have an issue if the two-parent black poverty rate is equal to the OVERALL white poverty rate.

Also this isn't about political parties.

Also Also 2% is a pretty large number. I would wager that most of those 2% are not white.

Also Also Also I don't buy that jamming that into people's heads at school will work. Where I went, they already did that.

2% is a large number in terms of absolute mathematics but 2% is fairly small overall.

Whites are at 10% not 8% and African Americans are at 27%. But when they have two parents the delta is 20%!!!!!

The reason it is so high though is what we discussed. Due to slavery and unfair treatment in the past by your ancestors (racists), the African American community has not benefited from multi generational wealth being passed on, etc. They will get there now that the country has righted itself. I am in the same boat being a 2nd generation American. But again a 20% delta is gigantic. So we can get it down to 7% and then much much much lower as the multi generational wealth builds and the two parent household mantra is wide spread.

When we are talking about people? 2% can mean thousands of unemployed people. Pretty big deal.

No, white people are at 8.8% . African Americans at 22%. Latinos at 19%. We agree that poverty goes down when one has two parents. But two-parent poverty rates for black people are, as you said, 7%. Again, this disproves your point because the OVERALL white poverty rate (Including 30% single parent people) is 8.8%. So if you are a black person with two parents, you do just slightly better than a white person in general.

Correct though. This is called institutional racism.

You just said 2% is a big number but to fit your narrative it isn't? I explained why. It is multi generational due to slavery and a late civil rights movement. Nothing to do with institutional anything.

Since you don't understand basic English I will give you a real life example.

My good friend and his wife are both college graduates and both African American. Their families do not have a lot of wealth. They make about $350k combined all in. They live in NY so to get a decent house they have to put down 20% or $160k. That is very tough so they don't own a house.

Another good friend of mine is a teacher. His wife is a teacher. They make about $120k combined. They live in NC. They moved out of MA because of the high cost of living. Their house is very nice an 2000 SF cost $200k compared to the $800k above. Their parents gave them the $40k down payment as a wedding gift.

They have a house my friends in NY do not. There is no racism. It is based on choices. Now if my black friends were teachers and needed the house in NC they could not have afforded the $40k down payment and their families could not have helped them get the house. So they would be living in an apartment. This is where generational wealth helps and I have agreed that the African American community got shafted there due to the aforementioned slavery and the late civil rights movement.

You're like a parrot. Squak Squak Squak. Institutional Racism. Squak Squak Squak. You sound insane and without logic.

Here is another stat for poverty:

Single moms - 27%
Married couples - 5%

Lets say I am the biggest racist out there. For arguments sake. How do I impact poverty rates for African Americans? Do tell. Or for anyone for that matter? Racism has nothing to do with it. Are you really saying that a drop from 22% to 7% is insignificant? Seriously?

“Young people can virtually assure that they and their families will avoid poverty if they follow three elementary rules for success – complete at least a high school education, work full time, and wait until age 21 and get married before having a baby. Based on an analysis of Census data, people who followed all three of these rules had only a 2 percent chance of being in poverty and a 72 percent chance of joining the middle class (defined as above $55,000 in 2010.”)



Ron Haskins of the Brookings Institution, testifying before Congress on June 5, 2012

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/7/2018 2:50:00 PM (view original):
You just said 2% is a big number but to fit your narrative it isn't? I explained why. It is multi generational due to slavery and a late civil rights movement. Nothing to do with institutional anything.

Since you don't understand basic English I will give you a real life example.

My good friend and his wife are both college graduates and both African American. Their families do not have a lot of wealth. They make about $350k combined all in. They live in NY so to get a decent house they have to put down 20% or $160k. That is very tough so they don't own a house.

Another good friend of mine is a teacher. His wife is a teacher. They make about $120k combined. They live in NC. They moved out of MA because of the high cost of living. Their house is very nice an 2000 SF cost $200k compared to the $800k above. Their parents gave them the $40k down payment as a wedding gift.

They have a house my friends in NY do not. There is no racism. It is based on choices. Now if my black friends were teachers and needed the house in NC they could not have afforded the $40k down payment and their families could not have helped them get the house. So they would be living in an apartment. This is where generational wealth helps and I have agreed that the African American community got shafted there due to the aforementioned slavery and the late civil rights movement.

You're like a parrot. Squak Squak Squak. Institutional Racism. Squak Squak Squak. You sound insane and without logic.

Here is another stat for poverty:

Single moms - 27%
Married couples - 5%

Lets say I am the biggest racist out there. For arguments sake. How do I impact poverty rates for African Americans? Do tell. Or for anyone for that matter? Racism has nothing to do with it. Are you really saying that a drop from 22% to 7% is insignificant? Seriously?

2% is a big number. I never said it isn't. That's institutional racism bud.

And thanks for the example. That's institutional racism. So is redlining, etc.

No. Because its what stats state. I would probably arrest more males. Its not because I am sexist. It is because males commit more crimes. What institutions are racist in your fantasy world? Name a few.

BTW I don't have a negative or positive opinion about anyone. I take everyone as an individual. 22% is significant. I explained why it is so high. Single parenthood and lack of generational monies. How is that institutional racism when they don't have wealthy parents? I don't understand this logic whatsoever?

Do you want a cracker?

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/7/2018 2:52:00 PM (view original):

“Young people can virtually assure that they and their families will avoid poverty if they follow three elementary rules for success – complete at least a high school education, work full time, and wait until age 21 and get married before having a baby. Based on an analysis of Census data, people who followed all three of these rules had only a 2 percent chance of being in poverty and a 72 percent chance of joining the middle class (defined as above $55,000 in 2010.”)



Ron Haskins of the Brookings Institution, testifying before Congress on June 5, 2012

Again, 2 percent means thousands of people. It aint foolproof.

88% graduate high school
47% work full time.
60% Married before baby.

~25% do all three.

25% of the American population is around 80 million people.

Two percent of that is 1.6 million.

28% lf 80 million is 22.4 million.

That's pretty significant.

NO!!! UGH!!! NO!!!! UGH!!! NO!!! UGH!!! NO!!! Is that enough ugh no? I am trying hard not to call you a dumbass. Bear with me.

Only 60% of the country is comprised of working persons. Rest are retired, young or incapable.

So your number is 990,000. Not terrible out of 330 million people.

Look, you cannot help everyone. Poverty rate in Germany is 16%. In Norway is 10%. I'll take 2% all day!!!!

Man you really need to grow up.