Standings at the end of Conference Finals...

			Remaining	Conf Finals
Final Standing	Owner	Total Points	Playoff Teams	Wins	League(s)
	kinoa1	355	3	12	1,3,5
	pexetera	342	1	6	2
	dBKC	322	3	12	2,4,5
	benhoidal	317	1	7	3
	mptrey	294	0	1
	dh555	289	1	5	1
7	tarheel1991	256	0
8	jpevans31	237	0
9	jcred5	233	0	3
9	robusk	233	0	1
11	24kpyrite	224	0
12	copernicus	223	0	2
13	goetz93	217	0
13	ysw128	217	0
15	ashamael	215	0
16	20ks	214	0
	gerryred	208	0	1
	pharrop	206	0
	jhsukow	194	0
	dskantor	191	0
	longtallbrad	183	1	4	4
22	samuelyork93	179	0
23	bds9992	160	0
24	amerk1180	125	0

Standings in Finals...

			Remaining	Wins in
Final Standing	Owner	Total Points	Playoff Teams	Finals	League(s)
	kinoa1	355	3		1,3,5
	pexetera	344	1	1	2
	dBKC	324	3	1	2,4,5
	benhoidal	317	1		3
	mptrey	294	0
	dh555	289	1		1
7	tarheel1991	256	0
8	jpevans31	237	0
9	jcred5	233	0
9	robusk	233	0
11	24kpyrite	224	0
12	copernicus	223	0
13	goetz93	217	0
13	ysw128	217	0
15	ashamael	215	0
16	20ks	214	0
	gerryred	208	0
	pharrop	206	0
	jhsukow	194	0
	dskantor	191	0
	longtallbrad	183	1		4
22	samuelyork93	179	0
23	bds9992	160	0
24	amerk1180	125	0

Posted by jhsukow on 8/4/2020 10:43:00 AM (view original):
Great job kinoa1

https://imgur.com/a/8NHNSEe

That's fantastic jhsukow! Kudos. :)

And then there were six. Teams. Owners. Egos. Chances. So, I invite mercilessly candid perspectives. A matter of taste, really. Better to have had a better chance of finishing further up in the final standings, or to have gone all out for a chance at winning one of five leagues?

my opinion: winning 1 out of 5 championships is certainly respectable... you're getting a SIM championship after all, but for the other 4 teams to be out of the playoffs, some of them pretty far out, even one championship team isn't going to get you better than 17th with this point structure. And I think this point structure is pretty close to where it should be. You really can't look at any one league in a vacuum and say look how well I did... it's a 5 league championship...that's the theme. Anyone can stack a team in a single world, look what ben did in world 3. His top 5 players best seasons are all on one team, he was trying to guarantee a championship... and I'll be shocked if he doesn't win that league, but his other teams also performed admirably which is the difference between 17th and 4th. Maybe if he had spread his 5 top players best seasons across 2 teams instead of 1, he'd be in 2 finals instead of 1. I think depending how well you draft, going for 2 very strong teams is better than 1 super-stacked team. I went for 4 strong teams, but maybe I should have focused on 3 stronger teams, maybe I would be in more than one finals One thing is certain, the top 7 in the standings all had at least 4 teams in the playoffs, so you can't neglect the other teams too much.

I agree for the most part but I’d personally also rather be #17 with one championship than say 14th with no finals appearances, so I don’t think the rankings are completely rigid. Just my opinion.

Posted by dBKC on 8/4/2020 3:45:00 PM (view original):
I agree for the most part but I’d personally also rather be #17 with one championship than say 14th with no finals appearances, so I don’t think the rankings are completely rigid. Just my opinion.

Interesting! I would definitely rather have 5 playoff teams and no 'ships. But I ended up with neither :(

Posted by dBKC on 8/4/2020 3:45:00 PM (view original):
I agree for the most part but I’d personally also rather be #17 with one championship than say 14th with no finals appearances, so I don’t think the rankings are completely rigid. Just my opinion.

based on that, do you think a championship should be worth more points? 25? 30? or should we wait and see how this season shakes out to see if the results of our playoff point structure make sense. I'm glad we changed it, because if you win 2 leagues and I win none and I was in 2nd place, that would be ridiculous. Personally, I think you have to do better across more than just 1 league to be higher in the rankings. Again, any owner could put all their players best seasons on one team and have a 60+ win team.

Posted by robusk on 8/4/2020 3:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 8/4/2020 3:45:00 PM (view original):
I agree for the most part but I’d personally also rather be #17 with one championship than say 14th with no finals appearances, so I don’t think the rankings are completely rigid. Just my opinion.

Interesting! I would definitely rather have 5 playoff teams and no 'ships. But I ended up with neither :(

Well that’s a little different because #14 didn’t have 5 playoff teams. I’m saying if Brad wins a chip and is ranked #17, I’d rather be in his shoes than someone who has a little higher ranking in the standings but had say 3 playoff teams and 0 finals appearances.

Posted by pexetera on 8/4/2020 3:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 8/4/2020 3:45:00 PM (view original):
I agree for the most part but I’d personally also rather be #17 with one championship than say 14th with no finals appearances, so I don’t think the rankings are completely rigid. Just my opinion.

based on that, do you think a championship should be worth more points? 25? 30? or should we wait and see how this season shakes out to see if the results of our playoff point structure make sense. I'm glad we changed it, because if you win 2 leagues and I win none and I was in 2nd place, that would be ridiculous. Personally, I think you have to do better across more than just 1 league to be higher in the rankings. Again, any owner could put all their players best seasons on one team and had a 60+ win team.

I think it’s fine. Part of the reason why I’d rather be #17 with only 1 playoff team but a chip than #14 with 3 playoff teams but no finals appearances is the rewards points from WIS.

Sure, it's a WIS championship any way you look at it. I think the goal should be to get the point structure to result in a ranking that represents the groups values. If winning a championship is more valuable than putting 4 teams in the playoffs but with no rings, then the point structure should reflect that in the final standings. Keep in mind... it's a 5 team theme. That's the whole challenge of the league, can you build 5 teams from one draft. Otherwise, we'd just play 5 sequential draft leagues. You can't value the standings in one league above the overall performance of the 5 and keep the spirit of the theme.

Posted by dBKC on 8/4/2020 3:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 8/4/2020 3:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 8/4/2020 3:45:00 PM (view original):
I agree for the most part but I’d personally also rather be #17 with one championship than say 14th with no finals appearances, so I don’t think the rankings are completely rigid. Just my opinion.

Interesting! I would definitely rather have 5 playoff teams and no 'ships. But I ended up with neither :(

Well that’s a little different because #14 didn’t have 5 playoff teams. I’m saying if Brad wins a chip and is ranked #17, I’d rather be in his shoes than someone who has a little higher ranking in the standings but had say 3 playoff teams and 0 finals appearances.

then by that logic a championship should be worth more than 20 points, or taking Ash's suggestion and making the playoffs have a rising point structure. 1-2-3-4 points for a win each successive round. but I don't think it should be increased enough to crack into the top 7 or 8... because it's a 5 team theme, and getting into 4 or 5 playoffs should be prioritized over one championship team (unless they all exit in the first round)

I think the point structure is near perfect, but I do like the idea of it going 1-2-3-4 with a championship being 20.

under the 1-2-3-4 rising playoff points structure with 20 points per championship the max points per championship would be 60 points. That would put LTBs one championship team ranked 13th rather than 17th. Is that where a single championship team with no other teams in the playoffs should be ranked...13th?

Posted by pexetera on 8/4/2020 4:22:00 PM (view original):
under the 1-2-3-4 rising playoff points structure with 20 points per championship the max points per championship would be 60 points. That would put LTBs one championship team ranked 13th rather than 17th. Is that where a single championship team with no other teams in the playoffs should be ranked...13th?

Yes? That makes sense to me.