Quote: Originally Posted By decepticons on 8/28/2008

But it,s tabbed information. Not like it's going to flood your coach mail box. You want to see information on a player, you click the tab.

This is the key point that I think a lot of people are missing. It's not like your getting this scouting report on every NY player and you can just forward it to any other coach you wish. If Coach A pays for the service and Coach B wants information on 1 player, they have to ask Coach A to click on the tab and pass along that info to them. If Coach B wants that info on 20-something players, Coach A must be one helluva friend to take the time to do all that recruiting for someone else

Quote: Originally Posted By princep01 on 8/28/2008
I like the general idea, but it is something that will be subject to much collusion. Take 4 friends in a conference. Each takes one state that is relevant to the group of schools. They then exchange passwords for recruiting, read the notes on players in all 4 states and then change their passwords after recruting is over. There is already enough of that.

People with more than one team in the same world will also gain an advantage.

For these reasons, I'd just as soon leave it basically as is and add some additional information to recruit responses.

If you're allowing others access to your password, I think that's a little nuts. I've got multiple teams on my accounts, and I have NO desire to allow them access to my other teams as well. It's one thing if they're family or best friends, but to have just "other coaches" in your conference be able to access and potentially change things on any of my other teams is foolhardy.

Yes, coaches with multiple accounts will have an advantage, nothing that can be done there. Although keep in mind that one of the biggest advantages to this is the continuous updating. That will be specific to the school that spent the $$$$, and doesn't benefit the other teams.

Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 8/28/2008

Quote: Originally posted by Fregoe on 8/28/2008the advantage i like in the scouting service is the updates on the recruits you are targeting. to me this is the biggest advantage and this can only be utilized by the school that paid for the service.

Actually when you target a recruit there on your list and you can see if there undecided or whatever. No advantage gained by having them tell you this.

When you don't know what you're talking about, furry, perhaps you should keep quiet.

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Quote: Originally Posted By jjboogie on 8/29/2008^ that's a good case for making this change (at least scouting service) only available at DI and maybe DII

there is so much for a new coach to learn now it's craz

i agree with this-- have long been an advocate of adding complexity from the higher levels down, rather than rolling them all out at once.

for this one, i think i would like it to be supplied info at D-III, then either partially supplied or purchased at D-II, and wholly purchsed at D-I.

I think i joined at the exact right time-- season 13 or so of Naismith/Wooden. There was enough in it to keep me interested, but not too much to make learning easy. And they have been adding things pretty consistently since, mainly to my strong approval. But I can totally see it being really hard to learn as a newb now.

What most of you don't realize is ther freaks that live on these forums (me included) are the hardcore players. The MAJORITY of users (the SILENT MAJORITY), don't even read or post here.

To many of them, the game is already more time consuming than many of the other "fun" hobbies they may have. Every time you make the game more complex you cause many of these users to give up the game because they don't want to put that much effort into it.

So grats for the hardcore players who are bored. Lets make sure we keep this minority group in tact while losing out on the majority "fringe player." I have 3 close friends I got into WIS and they never come to the forums. A couple are already thinking of quitting because of the effort involved.

So when WIS' overall numbers conitnue to decline, ask yourself, is it really the vets leaving or the average Joe Blow who's never posted here.

mullycj has it pegged, and I'm with the make each Division more complex cabal. Something for everybody.

Quote: Originally Posted By goosegoslin on 8/29/2008

I also like anything that has D-II and D-III teams recruiting most kids locally. I went to Elizabethtown College (PA) and I coach there now in Iba and have kids from Oklahoma, Florida, North Dakota, Washington State, Minnesota (2), Texas, Georgia (2), Nebraska, Tennessee, and one from PA.

That's just silly. Beyond unrealistic.

The game is unrealistic in that we offer scholarships to DIII. But that's just the license needed to include DIII.

In RL DII, many of the top progams recruit nationally. Kentucky Wesleyan, for instance, has players from California (3); Illinois (2): New York, Utah, Texas, Indiana..as well as internationals from France and Slovakia.

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Or he can just give Coach B his username and password.

"Yes, coaches with multiple accounts will have an advantage, nothing that can be done there."

Something can be done. The practice can be banned. Like it should have been in the first place.

Quote: Originally posted by goosegoslin on 8/29/2008"Yes, coaches with multiple accounts will have an advantage, nothing that can be done there."

Something can be done. The practice can be banned. Like it should have been in the first place.

And how are they going to find out? What, are they going to say I can't log in to my friends/brothers account anymore?

Quote: Originally Posted By gonarayshell on 8/28/2008

Quote: Originally posted by jake_marley on 8/28/2008
A) What this is all about, is that schools like Hawaii and Oregon St etc. can now spend a little $$ on a service and increase their pool of legit recruits when they currently have little or none locally

B) I'm thinking the easiest way to diminish the information sharing concern would be that if you didn't spend for the scouting service on a recruit more than 300 miles away ..... you don't get considered by the recruit

B is ridiculous idea, I'm sorry that just isn't going to help anything imo, especially at d2/3 where money is limited and you would have to spend some money to have just a shot at recruiting a guy? No way

WIS is giving you more money in your recruiting budget to scout.

Your ethics leave a lot to be desired, Furry.

Quote: Originally posted by cappelgp on 8/29/2008Your ethics leave a lot to be desired, Furry.

rawr

Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 8/29/2008

Quote: Originally posted by goosegoslin on 8/29/2008"Yes, coaches with multiple accounts will have an advantage, nothing that can be done there."
Something can be done. The practice can be banned. Like it should have been in the first place.

And how are they going to find out? What, are they going to say I can't log in to my friends/brothers account anymore?

One account per credit card. One account per address. Set cookies on a computer that can tell if multiple log ins are coming from the same computer, etc.. There are plenty of ways to do it. If you have roommates at the same address they should be using credit cards with different names on them. Make painful enough to set up multiple accounts that most people won't bother to do it.