Quote: Originally Posted By plague on 6/14/2009

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2009
Seriously? It is absolutely a good move for one owner. And a brutally stupid move for the other guy.

Please, please, think before you respond again.

I might not of made it obvious but when I meant equal prospect I meant the prospects projected overall was equal to the current overall of the veteran. I would never suggest that 2 players in current talent with 1 making 5 million and the other making 375k would be a equal trade.


Then I'll request that you read the thread. I've explained the fluid value of cash vs. the hard value of players.

Quote: Originally Posted By hopkinsheel on 6/13/2009

Quote: Originally posted by hypnotoad on 6/13/2009Can you provide a cliffs notes version of the world chat? That has to be one of the longest disagreements I've ever seen.

Most of it wasn't a discussion about the cash in trades...most of it was a complete and utter meltdown by caracarn...

We were warned by several owners before last season that he has trashed several worlds. But he actually acted normal last season. he went completely nuts yesterday.

He also released all of his players. Classy.

We have several tickets into customer support to get his team transferred and get admin to clean up the mess he created. Unfortunately it is the weekend and who knows when they'll get to it

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/13/2009
As I said before, I read EVERY WORLD CHAT when their "problem" spilled into the HBD forums. EVERY LAST ONE of them was over inconsistent trade approval/veto. EVERY LAST ONE. Play with your "shades of gray" fire. I'd rather not.

If a deal is OK at game 12 between two owners, an identical deal(or deals) should be OK at game 110. If it's not, the rejected owners should do everything within their power to screw that world over. They're not getting a fair shake.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/13/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By cjlancaster on 6/13/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/13/2009

Here's the problem(try to follow along):

Player A makes a trade and gets 5m more in cash in the deal . Player B, C and D get in on the action because they have extra payroll. So you're prepared to tell Player E that he can't take advantage of the same deal because "it's going too far"?

Sorry, Player E has EVERY RIGHT to do EVERTHING in his power to ruin the league.




This may be the dumbest thing I have ever read. You don't like a league, drop it. Don't ruin it for the other 31 people. If you are in an hoenstly unfair situation, I'm sure that many owners will drop at the end of the season and the world will die. Mikey, can you honestly be advocating this kind of behavior?

Yes. I absolutely am.

Quote: Originally Posted By pstrnutbag44 on 6/14/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/13/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By cjlancaster on 6/13/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/13/2009

Here's the problem(try to follow along):

Player A makes a trade and gets 5m more in cash in the deal . Player B, C and D get in on the action because they have extra payroll. So you're prepared to tell Player E that he can't take advantage of the same deal because "it's going too far"?

Sorry, Player E has EVERY RIGHT to do EVERTHING in his power to ruin the league.




This may be the dumbest thing I have ever read. You don't like a league, drop it. Don't ruin it for the other 31 people. If you are in an hoenstly unfair situation, I'm sure that many owners will drop at the end of the season and the world will die. Mikey, can you honestly be advocating this kind of behavior?

Yes. I absolutely am.

Kinda shocked by this though. This mentality is really helpful for the game. I follow the idea, but doing things out of spite is both childish and lame, amongst other things. I think we've hit the reason most of these idiotic problems and discussions take place to begin with. Seems a lot of owners are childish, spiteful, hateful, hurtful, insecure and many, many more adjectives that I neither have the time nor desire to type as it reminds me I am playing a game with some folks who are more immature then my own children. For F's sake fellas, grow a spine and be a "man" about your internet games. They're just games, to be played for fun. Have fun. Enjoy yourselves. Once you've gone past that and actually have true, deep personal feelings about these folks and a desire to be spiteful towards them or you feel a need to ruin their world, you've got some issues worth exploring with a professional.

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Bravo. Well said.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/13/2009
It's the "kept under control" part that's the problem. If 9 owners have completed deals and my exact type of trade is vetoed, I'd dump all my players. And I'd encourage ANYONE who encounters a similar situation to do the same. Ruin the league as best you can because it's already 'tarded up beyond help. Leave your mark.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/13/2009
My first response to you. You can look it up


Are you sure my reasoning has changed?

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/13/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By cjlancaster on 6/13/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/13/2009

Here's the problem(try to follow along):

Player A makes a trade and gets 5m more in cash in the deal . Player B, C and D get in on the action because they have extra payroll. So you're prepared to tell Player E that he can't take advantage of the same deal because "it's going too far"?

Sorry, Player E has EVERY RIGHT to do EVERTHING in his power to ruin the league.




This may be the dumbest thing I have ever read. You don't like a league, drop it. Don't ruin it for the other 31 people. If you are in an hoenstly unfair situation, I'm sure that many owners will drop at the end of the season and the world will die. Mikey, can you honestly be advocating this kind of behavior?

Yes. I absolutely am.

Quote: Originally posted by snake_p on 6/14/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/13/2009 It's the "kept under control" part that's the problem.   If 9 owners have completed deals and my exact type of trade is vetoed, I'd dump all my players.   And I'd encourage ANYONE who encounters a similar situation to do the same.  Ruin the league as best you can because it's already 'tarded up beyond help.  Leave your mark.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/13/2009 My first response to you.  You can look it up.Are you sure my reasoning has changed?

That isn't even "reasoning," it is a mindless temper tantrum.  Your post and subsequent defense of your post reveal more about yourself than you probably wanted to reveal.  That type of temper tantrum is generally considered inappropriate behavior in a child beginning at about the age of 2 or 3.  In an individual above the age of 5 or so it is at least maladaptive behavior.  In an individual above the age of ten or so it would be pathological behavior and warrant intervention.

Quote: Originally Posted By danmam on 6/14/2009How is this such a big deal? My division-mate is also minus one quality prospect that he had to give up to get the cash