Posted by tylermathias on 12/29/2010 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 12/29/2010 12:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by r0b0t on 12/29/2010 9:05:00 AM (view original):
Pay me my GC's

I made a donation in your name to PETA instead.

Should have gone with The Human Fund.

In these matters, I take only Charlize Theron's advice.

How much did you win?

Also, I have no idea what SKAFL stands for.  Rlahann?

I'm making my way through the BBC Surivors right now...it's pretty fantastic.  Feels a lot like Dead Set...which was also very good.  B0t, you'd really like both.

Posted by antonsirius on 12/29/2010 2:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tylermathias on 12/29/2010 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 12/29/2010 12:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by r0b0t on 12/29/2010 9:05:00 AM (view original):
Pay me my GC's

I made a donation in your name to PETA instead.

Should have gone with The Human Fund.

In these matters, I take only Charlize Theron's advice.

seems like donating to humanpets.com would make you both happy, assuming charlize agrees.

I have been trying to figure out if, as VD states, WIS overvalues defense in HBD. Using the recently completed HR regular season, I computed the DER (Defensive Efficiency Rating) for all Shtickless-ish teams. Although the top three DER teams correlate with the top three teams in (+) stats, VD's KC team has a surprisingly good DER, coming in fourth among the 12 teams I looked at.

I also included park factors and vL and vR for rotation and bullpen. It's difficult, though, to see really good correlations. Maybe Rob can see them.

	OKC	AUS	JAX	KC	VAN	STL	PIT	DUR	HON	League	CHY	SAN	LV
(+)	83	156	94	26	81	66	68	40	80	54	31	48	46
(-)	13	4	25	49	18	22	39	55	30	44	42	58	47
BFP	6151	6274	6266	6225	6269	6195	6201	6312	6309	6362	6314	6396	6700
H	1399	1441	1485	1420	1511	1375	1432	1516	1554	1557	1533	1579	1767
HR	180	212	208	160	219	146	135	223	203	208	217	212	297
BB	463	550	551	461	532	523	446	512	490	527	512	491	708
K	1073	1067	1000	1086	1021	1166	1066	1086	1030	1044	1093	1039	859
HBP	43	62	54	60	43	60	47	70	46	53	51	57	64
Errors	71	65	62	93	73	90	96	83	80	100	105	109	109
DER	0.706	0.705	0.699	0.697	0.694	0.693	0.691	0.689	0.685	0.680	0.680	0.679	0.669
Runs	663	743	759	660	798	634	619	789	750	815	801	805	1115
PF singles	0	2	0	1	0	-2	2	2	-2	0	1	-4	-2
PF doubles	-2	2	0	2	0	-2	1	2	0	0	0	-4	-2
PF triples	0	2	-1	3	0	-1	-1	1	-1	0	1	-4	-2
vR Rotation	66	66	71	78	64	80	77	81	78	68	69	75	61
vR Bullpen	68	68	69	73	53	73	74	72	69	67	66	70	66
vL Rotation	63	63	61	74	75	72	79	82	69	59	64	60	54
vL Bullpen	60	60	65	73	69	67	71	69	68	64	69	69	55
Total v	65.13	65.13	67.69	75.47	64.54	75.27	76.13	77.92	72.93	65.69	67.23	69.92	59.90

Yeah, I know. Too long.

Note that MLB DERs ranged this season from .689 (Pittsburgh) to .726 (Oakland). Based upon this, I'd say WIS probably undervalues defense slightly. But there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of direct correlation between (+) plays and DER.

my KC team is the one franchise i have where my defense is probably at least average, i have some SSish players playing other positions

Posted by vandydave on 12/29/2010 5:12:00 PM (view original):
my KC team is the one franchise i have where my defense is probably at least average, i have some SSish players playing other positions

But you have nearly twice as many (-) plays as plus plays, and yet you still have a better DER than b0t's Honolulu team or moy's St. Louis team. Both of those play very solid defense.

KC also is a better hitter's park than either St. Louis or Honolulu, which I believe should result in a lower DER.

Posted by cbriese on 12/29/2010 4:38:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, I know. Too long.

i'm more concerned with the disturbing amount of free time you have......just sayin

Posted by cbriese on 12/29/2010 4:42:00 PM (view original):
Note that MLB DERs ranged this season from .689 (Pittsburgh) to .726 (Oakland). Based upon this, I'd say WIS probably undervalues defense slightly. But there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of direct correlation between (+) plays and DER.

Hmm, yeah. My initial reaction was to say that WIS owners tend to undervalue defense by sticking first basemen in left field, etc., but if even those of us who put a premium on D can barely crack .700 DER then it would seem to be an engine thing, not a strategy thing.

Posted by cbriese on 12/29/2010 4:38:00 PM (view original):
I have been trying to figure out if, as VD states, WIS overvalues defense in HBD. Using the recently completed HR regular season, I computed the DER (Defensive Efficiency Rating) for all Shtickless-ish teams. Although the top three DER teams correlate with the top three teams in (+) stats, VD's KC team has a surprisingly good DER, coming in fourth among the 12 teams I looked at.

I also included park factors and vL and vR for rotation and bullpen. It's difficult, though, to see really good correlations. Maybe Rob can see them.

	OKC	AUS	JAX	KC	VAN	STL	PIT	DUR	HON	League	CHY	SAN	LV
(+)	83	156	94	26	81	66	68	40	80	54	31	48	46
(-)	13	4	25	49	18	22	39	55	30	44	42	58	47
BFP	6151	6274	6266	6225	6269	6195	6201	6312	6309	6362	6314	6396	6700
H	1399	1441	1485	1420	1511	1375	1432	1516	1554	1557	1533	1579	1767
HR	180	212	208	160	219	146	135	223	203	208	217	212	297
BB	463	550	551	461	532	523	446	512	490	527	512	491	708
K	1073	1067	1000	1086	1021	1166	1066	1086	1030	1044	1093	1039	859
HBP	43	62	54	60	43	60	47	70	46	53	51	57	64
Errors	71	65	62	93	73	90	96	83	80	100	105	109	109
DER	0.706	0.705	0.699	0.697	0.694	0.693	0.691	0.689	0.685	0.680	0.680	0.679	0.669
Runs	663	743	759	660	798	634	619	789	750	815	801	805	1115
PF singles	0	2	0	1	0	-2	2	2	-2	0	1	-4	-2
PF doubles	-2	2	0	2	0	-2	1	2	0	0	0	-4	-2
PF triples	0	2	-1	3	0	-1	-1	1	-1	0	1	-4	-2
vR Rotation	66	66	71	78	64	80	77	81	78	68	69	75	61
vR Bullpen	68	68	69	73	53	73	74	72	69	67	66	70	66
vL Rotation	63	63	61	74	75	72	79	82	69	59	64	60	54
vL Bullpen	60	60	65	73	69	67	71	69	68	64	69	69	55
Total v	65.13	65.13	67.69	75.47	64.54	75.27	76.13	77.92	72.93	65.69	67.23	69.92	59.90

Good post.  I have tried to look at only my teams and it has been difficult.  I have 5 teams, 2 are great defensively, 2 suck and 1 is in the middle.  They all have pretty similar records though.

I think your statement the other day that you basically you need to be really, really good at either offense, defense or pitching to overcome a big weakness in one of the three was pretty on the mark.

Posted by cbriese on 12/29/2010 5:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by vandydave on 12/29/2010 5:12:00 PM (view original):
my KC team is the one franchise i have where my defense is probably at least average, i have some SSish players playing other positions

But you have nearly twice as many (-) plays as plus plays, and yet you still have a better DER than b0t's Honolulu team or moy's St. Louis team. Both of those play very solid defense.

According to moy, errors are the only defensive stat worth a damn.

Posted by antonsirius on 12/29/2010 6:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 12/29/2010 4:42:00 PM (view original):
Note that MLB DERs ranged this season from .689 (Pittsburgh) to .726 (Oakland). Based upon this, I'd say WIS probably undervalues defense slightly. But there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of direct correlation between (+) plays and DER.

Hmm, yeah. My initial reaction was to say that WIS owners tend to undervalue defense by sticking first basemen in left field, etc., but if even those of us who put a premium on D can barely crack .700 DER then it would seem to be an engine thing, not a strategy thing.

Yeah...  I have a 1B at LF in HR and just having one of those will kill a defense.  People think they should be able to put DHs at 1B and 1B in COF and be fine.  It is ridiculous.