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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
So "awesome" pitchers only come in the form of strikeout pitchers?
You're ridiculous. Admit it and move on.
2/21/2008 11:40 AM
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Mike, I think all you're being asked to do is look at a realistc scenario, not an extreme. If your theory is correct, then you shouldn't care what the number is.
2/21/2008 11:40 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
With outs being outs, it seems a "hot" pitcher could induce a groundball and prevent runs. I guess that doesn't happen in bosuxland.
2/21/2008 11:40 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
Hell, groundballs should be preferred. He could finish the game with 27 pitches.
2/21/2008 11:40 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
Especially since there's no correlation between a shitpile of whiffs and runs.
2/21/2008 11:40 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
If an out is an out, it shouldn't matter if over half in a game are strikeouts, right?
I'm taking the 50%+ groundout/flyout and offering you the 50%+ strikeout.
Seems fair. Except you and nuke seem to not care for it. Because you know you're wrong.
Good day.
2/21/2008 11:41 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
This is the offer, nuke. I'll keep track of the 14k strikeout games if you like. How much?
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008

I'm saying if a team strikes out 14 times in a game that they will score less than the league average. I picked 14 because it's more than 50% of the outs made.
Are you willing to accept this bet?
2/21/2008 11:41 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/20/2008
I don't see why these conditions are a problem.

You track ALL the K's and ALL the runs scored of ALL games.

Then, if there is evidence that teams score more runs overall when they strikeout less, you win.

$50- paypal.



I have no intention on tracking every game for $50. If outs are outs, it shouldn't matter. So, if half the outs are made by whiffing, the effect shouldn't be noticable. Accept the bet or admit you know that teams who whiff 14 times a game do not score the league average.
2/21/2008 11:41 AM
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Mike,
Are you arguing that teams score more runs when they strikeout less?
I don't understand why you can't answer this. It's the basis of your wager.
Yes or no?
2/21/2008 11:43 AM
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MikeT, one week ago:
putting the ball in play outs > strikeouts. ALWAYS

MikeT, today:
putting the ball in play outs > strikeouts as long as there are 14 in a game.
2/21/2008 11:44 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 2/21/2008

Mike, I think all you're being asked to do is look at a realistc scenario, not an extreme. If your theory is correct, then you shouldn't care what the number is.



You're late to the party.

The belief amongst several users are that strikeouts = contact outs.

If they are equal, 50% in either direction of outs recorded shouldn't matter. 14 GB/FB happen all the time. 14K do not. However, when 14K does happen, the team whiffing doesn't score very much. I'm willing to bet on this. I'm declaring it to be true and daring anyone to wager that it's not.

No takers.
2/21/2008 11:44 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008
Mike,
Are you arguing that teams score more runs when they strikeout less?
I don't understand why you can't answer this. It's the basis of your wager.
Yes or no?
2/21/2008 11:46 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 2/21/2008

Mike, I think all you're being asked to do is look at a realistc scenario, not an extreme. If your theory is correct, then you shouldn't care what the number is.



You're late to the party.

The belief amongst several users are that strikeouts = contact outs.

If they are equal, 50% in either direction of outs recorded shouldn't matter. 14 GB/FB happen all the time. 14K do not. However, when 14K does happen, the team whiffing doesn't score very much. I'm willing to bet on this. I'm declaring it to be true and daring anyone to wager that it's not.

No takers.
Yep. I explained to you why.
2/21/2008 11:47 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008

Hell, groundballs should be preferred. He could finish the game with 27 pitches.
INNERNET JEOPARDY!

I'll take: "yet another in mikets arsenal of 400 individual highly improbable individual situations that he thinks proves something." $5000, Alex!

2007 Red Sox had 1 14+ strikeout game.

2007 Yankees had 1

And he thinks, out of two entire seasons of baseball, these two examples are magically instructional?

Laughable.
2/21/2008 11:47 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By bosoxbill on 2/21/2008
MikeT, one week ago:
putting the ball in play outs > strikeouts. ALWAYS

MikeT, today:
putting the ball in play outs > strikeouts as long as there are 14 in a game.
heartbj, this is all you need to know, really.

Mikey doesn't believe his crap. He argues just to argue. This is just his lastest tack so he can repeat himself and ignore evidence.
2/21/2008 11:48 AM
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