Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 4/09/2010MDX, that's your interpretation.  Just as I assumed you would finish seasons you started, you are assuming that you'll be including in future seasons.  Neither is guaranteed by any TOS.

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 4/09/2010MDX, that's your interpretation.  Just as I assumed you would finish seasons you started, you are assuming that you'll be included in future seasons.  Neither is guaranteed by any TOS.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrdanielx on 4/09/2010

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 4/09/2010 MDX, that's your interpretation. Just as I assumed you would finish seasons you started, you are assuming that you'll be including in future seasons. Neither is guaranteed by any TOS.

It is inferred by the concept of the game. If I own a house, and I improve the house or put investments in the house, its not worth the same about to me, or future owners. Since its not currency, but time and effort there is not a monetary compensation that can be put on the team (thus not a changing price for the product.) But admin would be foolish not to be particularly careful and mindful of an individuals sunken time costs.


You are paying for one season. When WifS allows users to reserves multiple seasonsin a world in advance, the dynamic changes. Hopefully, if this occurs, the commish will have to approve future season reservations.

Quote: Originally posted by crickett13 on 4/09/2010Again you have an option to join a public league.

Quote: Originally Posted By tzentmeyer on 4/09/2010




Lots of good comments so far.

And so you guys know, there are 150+ worlds. We receive 25+ tickets per week where one owner or another is asking us to ban another owner from a world. As it is, each ticket takes about 30 minutes to address by the time the back and forth has concluded. I think it's safe to assume both you (the HBD community) and I (WIS) would much rather have us spend our time on development and improving the game and bringing more new users to the game.

The original intent of private worlds included giving the commish full power to restrict access to the world each season. That worked for quite a while. It has recently started breaking down.

I'd like to throw out some actual examples we've had to see if that changes any opinions or generates any more ideas.

A) Veteran commish wants one or multiple owners out of the world. Each owner has been in it for 3+ seasons. Owners have not come anywhere near the tanking guideline of .250 winning percentage. Closer to .450. The owners haven't caused major problems via posts, chats, etc. Owner wants them out because he feels they just aren't good enough for the world. How can we justify not letting 3 owners who have spent time and money on the teams for 3+ seasons back for another season?

This is tricky, and hopefully not all that common. I have nothing here. Only that if you remove them, and the other owners disagree, have a mechanism in placeto remove the commish if that is the decided wish of the league and allow re-entry.

B) Private world goes public to fill a few spots. Owner joins when it's public. End of season, reverts to private. Owner doesn't want the owner back the next season. No good reason provided.

If a world goes public at any time, treat them as a public world in regards to rules for removal.

C) Middle of season, private world. User has team with fatigued relief pitchers and pretty mediocre offense/defense. Commish wants them out because they aren't investing the same time commitment as he/she. Not violating any stated rules anywhere, just want them out.

The user can finish out the season since no rules violated. Commish can remove them between seasons if they renew.

D) Spat in a private world. 6+ owners threaten to quit if commish isn't removed. 6+ owners threaten to quit if commish is removed. Source of debate is personal/attitude, not team play.

The commish created the world. All else equal, side with him. Assuming its an even split, the commish stays. The bolded group of 6 may quit. But you are going to lose 6+ owners regardless if they follow through on their threats.

E) Owner joins private world. Private world has special rules. Owner doesn't meet special rules. We remove. Owner comes back asking what rules were violated. While the world may have special rules, it's not part of Terms of Service.

The easiest case. They joined knowing the rules. They are out. THis shouldnt be a question at all. YOu risk losing a whole league, like Cooperstown to keep one guy happy that didnt follow known rules.

These are just a few of the examples.

Most of you are rationale individuals and enjoy playing a game and treat each other with respect and do things the right way. But there are many people playing and we have to be prepared for the extremes which occur far more frequently than we'd like.

Quote: Originally posted by alogman1 on 4/09/2010I see an opportunity for a premium service here. Let these whining, elitist, d-bag, drama queens who complain about everything and think their leagues are better than everyone else's have their way. Let them have the right to boot owners just because they feel like it. But there will be a $10 per team admin fee per season for the extra work in administering their requests to boot so and so because MikeT didn't like one of their forum posts, and maintaining a "special" league.