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4/26/2010 4:57 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 4/26/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 4/26/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 4/26/2010

Don't dodge the response Colonels. Shoe's on the other foot this time, you justify to us why YOU should have won. Explain your huge advantages to us. YOU explain why this should have been a slam dunk win, and please refrain from using the I beat team A, team A was better than team B, so I should have automatically beaten team B.

YOU prove it to us for once.......and let's see if your justifications are up to OUR standards. Or is that too much of a challenge for you?




-Considerable OTR difference...40 adjusted OTR...team talent is more important than any coaching feature out there.

-The team has 5! walkons...they should have had fatigue issues regardless what I was running

-I doubled them up on the glass 44-22

-They outshot me despite having considerably worse LPs and PEs

-We turned the ball over more than they did for what apparent reason I don't know

-My FT% was rather ridiculously low

-I had slightly better IQs than they had

-I was playing man to man defense, not any kind of a zone, thus its not like their 3s were uncontested

-Their 40 PER SF went 3-7 from 3 while my 67 PER SF went 1-5, and they only switched to a +1 zone no less at halftime. Look at the ****** PERs of the guys who made 1 FG3 for them...all bench guys below 40...

-They went 17-33 from 2, despite not having a player with an LP over 49

-I'm bringing this up because it matters...they lost to 507 Sim AI West Georgia at home by 27 the game before, thus coming off of my own 46 point road win, I easily thought, I got this.

-faztradamus' North Florida team beat them in exhibition...played them at a 0 defense in the first half, Montevallo went 5-12 from 3....NFL switches to +2 in the second half, and Montevallo betters its 3 point percentage, going 4-9...suggesting that taking away their outside wouldn't have necessarily worked.
You were supposed to address why you should've won, why this was an all-day, every day you-should-never-lose game. Saying that your poor ft shooting team shot ft's more poorly than normal is not an answer. Read the above, its there

The question is what, heading into this game, would've given you the mistaken impression that this is basically a game that you could never and should never lose. If you look to date...they've played 3 other sims and haven't been closer than 21 points, but they beat me by 3....my effing ***.

You are 39 pts better than them, yes. That's a decent advantage, but not monstrous. And they have a short bench, which you moronically did not take advantage of. Whose to say that I shouldn't have worn them out anyway? Whose to say that there **** ratings were more than enough to topple me? What else? What else did you see going into that game that would've made you conclude that your team was ridiculously better than theirs? They got killed by everyone else they played...I (the human) should be no exception and I killed the other bad sim AI team I played...I know you'll write this off, but I should have won this game hands down...by 1 or by 50...slam dunk.

Because what I see is that you had the better team and should expect to win a clear majority of the time. What I also see is that you were on the road C- HCA is a wash and have a terrible ft shooting team Not a 42% FT team and they have a good ft shooting team, and this contributed mightily to your loss. What I also see is that they have a very good pg who's better than anyone on your team, and that showed. And you didn't address anything that I posted above...nice job though.

So I'd expect you to win a clear majority of the time, but for them to beat you by three points at home just isn't that crazy. They shouldn't have won that game, no way no how. The games before and since make my loss look even more ridiculous. Nice to lose a gimme.............

4/26/2010 5:03 PM
if we think as both teams as d3 teams, it makes more sense. colonels, your team is good offensively for a d3 team, but with that iq, would it be a surprise for them to play like a poor d3 team offensively? no, it wouldn't. it happens reasonably often.

the other team, they are a poor d3 team offensively. would it be a surprise for them to play like a mediocre d3 team offensively? no, not really.

the combination of both events happening IS pretty unlikely, but at least 1%. and you are then losing to them offensively in that case. so i don't see what the fuss is about with offense. iq is important in terms of average offensive performance, but not massive. but in terms of volatility of offensive performance, it is massive. with your iq, you have to except really crappy offensive performances. don't like it? balance your iq like the rest of us so you don't have a team that essentially has late freshman year iq. your iq is literally significantly worse than a team of 12 freshman towards the end of the year. and you are complaining about inconsistency? i think you need to step back and realize just how utterly ridiculous that sounds. if somebody else was on here, saying, my team of 12 freshman blew the last game of the season with a crappy performance on the road to a less talented team, you would probably laugh at them.
4/26/2010 5:03 PM
colonels, your response to daalter just proves how you have completely thrown away logic and reason and only care about being right. C- hca is absolutely not a wash. and do the math on the chance of you crappy FT shooting team shooting 42% or less. seriously. do it. it is supremely unimpressive. you are just trying to defend your point because you feel is right, you are not trying to give logical responses to logical points.
4/26/2010 5:06 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By gillispie1 on 4/26/2010colonels, your response to daalter just proves how you have completely thrown away logic and reason and only care about being right. C- hca is absolutely not a wash. and do the math on the chance of you crappy FT shooting team shooting 42% or less. seriously. do it. it is supremely unimpressive. you are just trying to defend your point because you feel is right, you are not trying to give logical responses to logical points
Worse teams than mine killed them, thus I should have done the same, if not better...tell me why i should think otherwise.
4/26/2010 5:07 PM
i thought you were supposed to be explaining why you should have dominated them. you listed about 10 points, which do not come close to justifying them. why don't you respond to that one before you ask me to repeat why you should think otherwise for the 15th time. i explained why your 10 points didn't mean much at all, individually. you have not address my points why your team lost individually at all, you just say it doesn't add up.
4/26/2010 5:09 PM
again, if a nameless, faceless person said, my team of 12 freshman blew a game late in the season to a team who was 40 points lower by adjusted OTR, you would probably laugh at them. even if you wouldn't, you sure as hell wouldn't think something went drastically wrong.
4/26/2010 5:12 PM
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4/26/2010 5:13 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By gillispie1 on 4/26/2010again, if a nameless, faceless person said, my team of 12 freshman blew a game late in the season to a team who was 40 points lower by adjusted OTR, you would probably laugh at them. even if you wouldn't, you sure as hell wouldn't think something went drastically wrong
Feel free to introduce ridiculous hypotheticals as much as possible...as usual, you're comparing apples to oranges here.
4/26/2010 5:14 PM
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4/26/2010 5:17 PM
its not a ridiculous hypothetical at all. your teams iq is WORSE than a team of 12 freshman should be, end of season. thats a fact. ridiculous is what you call someone who has a that team and is surprised by volatility. ask anybody... low iq = high volatility. its really that simple.

once more... i have addressed all of your points individually on why you should have dominated. all you addressed is i said zone when you play man. you are avoiding the individuals because when you get to the details, its obvious how wrong you are.
4/26/2010 5:18 PM
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4/26/2010 5:21 PM
I love how you say you "didn't need to coach." That's the biggest copout I've ever heard. There is absolutely no reason why NOT to set up your best possible gameplan for each game. "I didn't need to" is just not an option. Even if you really didn't need to, even if you had had an insurmountable advantage, it would be smarter to gameplan as well as you could. Pretty sure most people do. Somehow you seem to think that because something worked against one team it should work against another. Unless the 2 teams are completely identical that is nonsensical. At some point you have to own up to the fact that you didn't play the game as intelligently as you should have. One of your biggest arguments has been that they had 5 walkons. Any time I have played a team with at least 3 walkons I have gone to uptempo. Took me about 3 seconds of coherent thought to figure that one out. If you think their lack of depth is your biggest advantage you try to make them play their bench as much as possible - by going uptempo. Any decent coach in any sport will tell you that you hammer on your opponents weaknesses while maximizing your strengths. You seem to have maximizing strengths reasonably well figured out, but hammering the weaknesses is at least as important and somehow you seem to think you can totally ignore that element of strategy. Obviously this should be a wakeup call. Of course it won't be...
4/26/2010 5:21 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By gillispie1 on 4/26/2010i thought you were supposed to be explaining why you should have dominated them. I expected a double digit win...10 points and rightfully so. I would have been ok with a 1 point win, but part of me probably would have been ****** that I didn't do more against that pathetic Sim AI team. you listed about 10 points, which do not come close to justifying them. why don't you respond to that one before you ask me to repeat why you should think otherwise for the 15th time. i explained why your 10 points didn't mean much at all, individually. you have not address my points why your team lost individually at all, you just say it doesn't add up. Your rhetoric is incredibly hard to follow here, I'm not even sure what the hell you're saying. You basically write off my justifications and you say what now? Please.
4/26/2010 5:21 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By gillispie1 on 4/26/2010its not a ridiculous hypothetical at all. your teams iq is WORSE than a team of 12 freshman should be, end of season. thats a fact. ridiculous is what you call someone who has a that team and is surprised by volatility. ask anybody... low iq = high volatility. its really that simple. Their IQ was WORSE!

once more... i have addressed all of your points individually on why you should have dominated. all you addressed is i said zone when you play man. you are avoiding the individuals because when you get to the details, its obvious how wrong you are. Again, not following here.
4/26/2010 5:23 PM
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