Look,
if the anti-gun people really want security and safety for EVERYONE:

- they should not allow any soldiers/policepersons to even have guns (off or on duty)
- they should destroy every one of the world's guns
AND
-they should prevent (without guns, mind you,) anyone (individuals and organizations, etc) from the production of guns 

...just to be fair and unhypocritical, you know? 

All we are saying....is give losing your piece a chance!

Posted by swamphawk22 on 2/2/2011 3:44:00 AM (view original):

I think the fact that honest law abiding citizens carrying weapons represents very little threat.

And the idea that an armed citizen creates a threat because a crazy person might steal their gun is laughable. Someone run down that scenario for me. And then there would be another armed teacher somewhere. As opposed to a Columbine where the crazy person brings the gun from ourside and can terrorize for a long period while the police respond.

You just need to cling to the old myths that having a gun is a greater risk than being unarmed.

I'll go back to not everyone can commit murder.    Everyone with a gun is NOT capable of pointing and firing at another human.   Far too many hope the threat is enough.   If it isn't, and they can't pull the trigger, they're just a gun store.

We are not going to force teachers to all carry guns. There will be plenty of volunteers.

Yeah, that's the scary part. 

Reward:

Crazy people wanting to shoot up schools will be deterred by the thought of armed teachers

Crazy people who aren't deterred will be gunned down before they can go on their killing spree
Kids have an opportunity to become more familiar with guns as part of their education

Risk:

Teachers will add to the body count during a school shooting rather than subtract from it by hitting the wrong targets
Possibility of accidental shootings
Possibility of crazy person taking gun from teacher to use on their spree
Possibility of not-crazy, just angry, person taking gun from teacher and using it in a crime of passion

Are you suggesting that this "Teachers will add to the body count during a school shooting rather than subtract from it by hitting the wrong targets" wouldn't be accidental?   Because I think you might be right. 

I meant accidental shootings to account for misfires when handling the gun, that sort of thing. Not accidental or "accidental" shootings in the middle of a spree.

Look:

either we all (with reasonable limitations, like babies, convicted criminals etc) should be allowed to carry and use loaded and unsafetied guns
or no species should be allowed to do so.

Posted by antonsirius on 2/2/2011 12:47:00 PM (view original):
I meant accidental shootings to account for misfires when handling the gun, that sort of thing. Not accidental or "accidental" shootings in the middle of a spree.

I still think some crazy *** teacher might make an "accidental" shooting of little Timmy who's been a pain in the *** for the entire semester. 

"But Mrs. Crazyass, Timmy was in the gym and the killers were in the lunchroom."
"Yes, officer, I realize that.  But, with all the commotion, I thought little Timmy pulled a gun from his gym bag and was going to take part in it."

Posted by antonsirius on 2/2/2011 8:29:00 AM (view original):
Reward:

Crazy people wanting to shoot up schools will be deterred by the thought of armed teachers

Crazy people who aren't deterred will be gunned down before they can go on their killing spree
Kids have an opportunity to become more familiar with guns as part of their education

Risk:

Teachers will add to the body count during a school shooting rather than subtract from it by hitting the wrong targets
Possibility of accidental shootings
Possibility of crazy person taking gun from teacher to use on their spree
Possibility of not-crazy, just angry, person taking gun from teacher and using it in a crime of passion

It isnt like the gun would be in a glass case with a smash in case of emergency sign.

And when someone is shooting people the last concern should be someone trying to shoot them might miss.

That's likely your last concern, sure, because your world view is disgusting and anti-human. People dying isn't a tragedy to you so long as they are the right people, or their deaths service your political cause.

For the rest of us, I think innocent kids getting shot because a teacher is firing wildly into a crowd in a moment of panic is indeed a concern.

Seriously, swamp, I'm with you on gun control(to a point).   Gimme my guns, I say.  

But there are situations where you shouldn't have or don't need armed citizens.   I think a classroom is one of them.    You could probably convince me, if you aren't batshit insane, to let college professors be licensed to pack(not sure if that makes a difference at Va Tech but you could try to make that argument).  However, I'm not real interested in letting some 3rd grade teacher fire shots in a room full of, well, 3rd graders.    Call it an "adult clause".    College students can choose not to take Professor Sixshooter's trig class but kids take what we tell them to take.

Quit the moking, it gets tiring after awhile 

Posted by antonsirius on 2/2/2011 3:06:00 PM (view original):
That's likely your last concern, sure, because your world view is disgusting and anti-human. People dying isn't a tragedy to you so long as they are the right people, or their deaths service your political cause.

For the rest of us, I think innocent kids getting shot because a teacher is firing wildly into a crowd in a moment of panic is indeed a concern.

You dont care who dies as long as your agenda remains intact.

I admit that I think killing one person to save 10 is a good thing.

I am trying to understand why you dont?