Posted by seamar_116 on 8/23/2012 9:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raucous on 8/23/2012 9:46:00 PM (view original):
The US Government has no right to marry anyone.  That is a mixing of church and state.  They should be only allowed to create personal partnerships.

agreed. Left and right find common ground.
Religious ceremony if the couple chooses, but a civil ceremony for all the "legal" stuff. Problem solved.

Posted by jclarkbaker on 8/23/2012 9:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raucous on 8/23/2012 9:46:00 PM (view original):
The US Government has no right to marry anyone.  That is a mixing of church and state.  They should be only allowed to create personal partnerships.

I actually tend to agree with this.  The govt should recognize unions that are created by churches, synagogues, etc.  Let the individual churches decide.

My main problem with all this is that the reality is that civil unions give gay couples the same equality under the law.  But they want "marriage", which is historically a religious union based on the ability to procreate.  Further, this whole push is by a party that spits on religion.

Posted by genghisxcon on 8/24/2012 2:07:00 AM (view original):
To summarize

jclark: as usual, condescension, snark, and little else
swamp: as usual, disingenuous and immature
doug: as usual, sound and fury signifying rabies

only opie even tried

Posted by occsid on 8/23/2012 10:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jclarkbaker on 8/23/2012 9:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raucous on 8/23/2012 9:46:00 PM (view original):
The US Government has no right to marry anyone.  That is a mixing of church and state.  They should be only allowed to create personal partnerships.

I actually tend to agree with this.  The govt should recognize unions that are created by churches, synagogues, etc.  Let the individual churches decide.

My main problem with all this is that the reality is that civil unions give gay couples the same equality under the law.  But they want "marriage", which is historically a religious union based on the ability to procreate.  Further, this whole push is by a party that spits on religion.

So what to 'straight people" who don't believe in God suppose to do for weddings then?

Posted by swamphawk22 on 8/24/2012 3:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by genghisxcon on 8/24/2012 2:07:00 AM (view original):
To summarize

jclark: as usual, condescension, snark, and little else
swamp: as usual, disingenuous and immature
doug: as usual, sound and fury signifying rabies

only opie even tried

Typical liberal.

Anyone that disagrees with you is either stupid, crazy or evil.

Best anagram evah?

Posted by genghisxcon on 8/24/2012 3:10:00 AM (view original):
No. YOU (singular) are disingenuous and immature. I explained why. Get back to me when you grow up.

Posted by occsid on 8/23/2012 10:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jclarkbaker on 8/23/2012 9:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raucous on 8/23/2012 9:46:00 PM (view original):
The US Government has no right to marry anyone.  That is a mixing of church and state.  They should be only allowed to create personal partnerships.

I actually tend to agree with this.  The govt should recognize unions that are created by churches, synagogues, etc.  Let the individual churches decide.

My main problem with all this is that the reality is that civil unions give gay couples the same equality under the law.  But they want "marriage", which is historically a religious union based on the ability to procreate.  Further, this whole push is by a party that spits on religion.

So what to 'straight people" who don't believe in God suppose to do for weddings then?

Posted by jclarkbaker on 8/24/2012 1:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by occsid on 8/23/2012 10:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jclarkbaker on 8/23/2012 9:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raucous on 8/23/2012 9:46:00 PM (view original):
The US Government has no right to marry anyone.  That is a mixing of church and state.  They should be only allowed to create personal partnerships.

I actually tend to agree with this.  The govt should recognize unions that are created by churches, synagogues, etc.  Let the individual churches decide.

My main problem with all this is that the reality is that civil unions give gay couples the same equality under the law.  But they want "marriage", which is historically a religious union based on the ability to procreate.  Further, this whole push is by a party that spits on religion.

So what to 'straight people" who don't believe in God suppose to do for weddings then?

Sigh.....  Everyone is a victim.

Posted by seamar_116 on 8/24/2012 5:22:00 AM (view original):

Posted by occsid on 8/23/2012 10:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jclarkbaker on 8/23/2012 9:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raucous on 8/23/2012 9:46:00 PM (view original):
The US Government has no right to marry anyone.  That is a mixing of church and state.  They should be only allowed to create personal partnerships.

I actually tend to agree with this.  The govt should recognize unions that are created by churches, synagogues, etc.  Let the individual churches decide.

My main problem with all this is that the reality is that civil unions give gay couples the same equality under the law.  But they want "marriage", which is historically a religious union based on the ability to procreate.  Further, this whole push is by a party that spits on religion.

So what to 'straight people" who don't believe in God suppose to do for weddings then?

simple...the same civil ceremony. And nothing would prohibit gay marriage in a church if that was something that church believed was permissible.

Sort of what they do, dare I say it and invite a comment from Swamp, in Europe, a religious ceremony if one chooses, followed by a civil ceremony at the town hall or courthouse (or vice versa)

Posted by raucous on 8/24/2012 2:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by seamar_116 on 8/24/2012 5:22:00 AM (view original):

Posted by occsid on 8/23/2012 10:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jclarkbaker on 8/23/2012 9:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raucous on 8/23/2012 9:46:00 PM (view original):
The US Government has no right to marry anyone.  That is a mixing of church and state.  They should be only allowed to create personal partnerships.

I actually tend to agree with this.  The govt should recognize unions that are created by churches, synagogues, etc.  Let the individual churches decide.

My main problem with all this is that the reality is that civil unions give gay couples the same equality under the law.  But they want "marriage", which is historically a religious union based on the ability to procreate.  Further, this whole push is by a party that spits on religion.

So what to 'straight people" who don't believe in God suppose to do for weddings then?

simple...the same civil ceremony. And nothing would prohibit gay marriage in a church if that was something that church believed was permissible.

Sort of what they do, dare I say it and invite a comment from Swamp, in Europe, a religious ceremony if one chooses, followed by a civil ceremony at the town hall or courthouse (or vice versa)

There is at least one religion that you yourself can become a minister by taking a brief online course.  I'm sure one of those ministers would marry atheists.  Of course if you are an atheist, why get forced into a religious ceremony announcing your merger?

Posted by occsid on 8/24/2012 2:09:00 PM (view original):
Romney went full birther today at a rally in Michigan saying, "No one ever asked to see my birth certificate."