Dagger time for Whalers10....

Really not a bad draft, but I figure you could afford at best one of the Greenberg-Gehringer-Mays trio unless you want to give your team trained incapacities.

However, each of the trio has a capable backup with a price discount. The biggest discount is for 2B with Rod Carew (saving 6 million), so I will make your decision for you.

Bye bye, Hall of Famer Rod Carew (he converted).

Now you can either pay through the nose for Gehringer and take hits elsewhere - or take a BIG hit at 2B. Choice is tragic.

Your hitting might still be better than your pitching, so I'm going to dagger Griffith Stadium to keep your pitching staff honest.

Posted by jpeterso on 12/1/2023 12:55:00 AM (view original):
well, it's early but I am going to go ahead and start the dagger process since calhoops has all 4 of his teams. He's got good pitching but needs to keep all the bats he can. Outside of one SS, he has really limited options. So, say goodbye to Peewee Reese. Also, let's not make his pitching staff even better. Shea is the stadium dagger.

Absolutely the right choice jpeterso.

whalers10 is up to dagger me and he is welcome to target my 1977 NY Mets

But the main reason I am quoting his post here is that I am going to plagiarize it almost verbatim as I dagger ermocito

"well, it's early but I am going to go ahead and start the dagger process since ermocito has all 4 of his teams. He's got good pitching but needs to keep all the bats he can. Outside of one SS, he has really limited options. So, say goodbye to Luke Appling."

As for the stadium dagger, there really is not a whole lot of difference in any of his choices so we will eliminate Candlestick Park

First dagger for seay00
Your 27 Yankees are arguably the greatest team ever. However, they come with some big pricetags. Ruth and Gehrig's huge salaries make them undraftable at this cap. There are several other players that are very interesting though in Tony Lazzeri and Earle Combs. I could dagger Lazzeri, but you still have a decent consolation prize in the Bees' Tony Cuccinello. Combs is a perfect leadoff hitter, high OBP and decent speed. You could still draft the entire 77 Red Sox outfield, but none of them are leadoff types. So Earle Combs from the 27 Yankees is not available.
As for your ballparks, only one will really help your staff from getting hit too hard. Say goodbye to Braves Field.

"67 Red Sox works for me" - Clayton Engelby

Ribbentrop is up!

OK, vilefileman, I have the job of delivering your first dagger. I've looked carefully at all your players and even built a roster that looks pretty good and comes in under the cap. Pretty annoying, considering you have 3 SP who are better than anyone I have and with quite a lot of good innings besides them. I was hoping you'd have tougher choices and have to sacrifice some of your best pitching. You will probably have the best rotation in the division, I suspect.

But let's look at ways I could go here ...

SP: With Bunning, Vance, Petty, Jackson, and Short, I can't really make you all that much worse in the rotation by taking one away. It's tempting to take that old KY Senator away from the top, though.
RP: Turk Farrell is a strong bullpen ace, and it's a decent drop to the guy you'd have to replace him with. Certainly has to be a thought.
C: By far your best guy is Hal Smith from the lousy 57 A's (the KC A's pretty much sucked the entire time they were there, so it was no gift to be handed one of their squads here). Your next best catchers are over 100 OPS points lower. This is also tempting as you have to find other A's to use.
1B: Boomer Scott is a beast who comes in under $5M. Gotta think about him, too.
2B: You have no good hitters or fielders here. I'll let you deal with that, no problemo.
3B: When you started off with the '67 Phillies, my first thought was "dagger Dick Allen." I love Dick Allen, but I don't want to face him all season. Huge dropoff to the next-best choice here. So that initial feeling has lost none of its power.
SS: Petrocelli is definitely your best choice here, and it's a decent dropoff to the A's guy DeMaestri. I wouldn't mind seeing Rico gone either.
OF: The great Yaz is possibly affordable if you jigger a lot of pieces around. I'm happy to see you compensate elsewhere to do that. No sense removing the choice. Tony Gonzalez is a .340 hitter for $5.4M, and I'm sure you'd like to have him. So he's got to be on the list.

Other considerations I usually would make here include taking away your only cheap backup somewhere ... but in truth you already don't have those at a couple spots. Between 2B,3B, and SS, you have only one player under $1M and he's 920K. There's not much I can do to force you to waste money you already don't have to deal with.

Where does this leave us? I have choices at almost every position that downgrade your lineup. I can hurt your pitching a wee bit, but not enough to feel impactful. So I think it comes down to not letting you pair Yaz and Allen in the lineup if you can swing the salaries. It's a far better choice to take away the stud who's very affordable.

So, first instinct holds. Say goodbye to the great Dick Allen.

Stadium: I don't think your team fits well to play in Fenway or KC Municipal, so I can't see daggering either. The other two are pretty similar. I'll knock out Ebbets Field. That's probably what I would have picked to play in.

Posted by ermocito on 12/1/2023 7:26:00 PM (view original):
"67 Red Sox works for me" - Clayton Engelby

Ribbentrop is up!

vilefileman already drafted them!

Posted by ermocito on 12/1/2023 7:26:00 PM (view original):
"67 Red Sox works for me" - Clayton Engelby

Ribbentrop is up!

Working on this

Seay00,

Dagger #2 can target my 1977 SF Giants.

"I will go with the 37 Red Sox then, I think I can make them work"
claytonengelby

Choose 1977 Kansas City Royals

lennyistall has the following -

57 Braves - studs with 3B Matthews and OF Aaron - 2 solid SPs - no real cheap bench players
37 Phillies - solid 1B, 3B, OF - no pitching - one cheap sub at C
37 Athletics - a couple of good OF and another good 3B - no pitching to speak of - cheap sub at 2B
37 Giants - solid 2B, SS, 2 OF - couple good pitchers - cheap subs at SS and OF

At first I thought the most obvious dagger was going to be starting pitching but the 37 Giants give some plausible starters. Then I looked at subs and found the problem for this combination of teams. Third base….

These are the 3B options -
57 Mathews - 6.5 mil
37 Whitney - 4.5 mil
37 Werber - 5.2 mil
37 Chiozza - 2.1 mil

Without any other subs this makes 3B a total money suck. The dagger is 3B - Lou Chiozza -

good luck dropping 10+million at 3B…

stadium dagger is the Polo Grounds

Posted by 3dayrotation on 12/1/2023 8:27:00 AM (view original):
redcped... only one catcher with more than 400 pa's? next best from the team you need most of your pitching to come from?

say goodbye to

Lollar, Sherm

1957 Chicago White Sox

Memorial Stadium will not be your home...

jonstephen25, you may dagger anyone from the 1947 Browns.

The 47 Red Sox

For jpeterso-- I got to dagger last season as well. I guess I didn't do a very good job as they won the WS. Therefore, I may take a more simple approach vice trying to cripple his lineup or depth or otherwise. Nah. Lets dissect this to be the most adversely designed dagger. Seeing the 57 Dodgers as his 2nd team indicates a few things, he was going after his starting rotation depth. Duke Snider and Gil Hodges can be replaced with the other rosters. I really want to take SS Joe Sewell out of the equation and leave you with the rest of the Indians to chose from. But you have other options on the Reds and Cubs at SS. You got Stan Hack to dagger proof Charlie Hustle at the hot corner.

I've considered one of Dodgers starters, but that's just tomatoe-to-mat-oh. I'm going with catcher Johnny Bench. He will not be on your bench this season. You do have Gabby Hartnett, so you could pay for him and a pricey backup that will cost more than JB. Or, go with the other Sewell or Campanella. Either way, you are worse off at a difference maker position, and will need to offset that power bat lost at another position. You also go from a plus one power bat scenario to a minus power bat sitch-- likely needing to spend more on Foster and/or Snider now, but too expensive to get both.

Conversely, if you want to go the other direction with all those nice hitters and OBPs and get a pitchers park, well they won't have the League Park option in Cleveland, OH. And, I want my lineup to be facing your pitchers in Wrigley, Crosley or Ebbets.

To recap, say your goodbyes to Hench Ench, The Binger Banger aka Johnny Bench. The anchor of that Red machine thingy. No League Park to accommodate those singles and doubles seekers when you have to downgrade in salary. No trophy this year kemosabe.