Diagnostics for Leadoff Hitters II Topic

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There were only 74 14+ K games the entire year.
Out of 4862.
1 out of 66.
1.5%
OUTLIER.
2/21/2008 11:49 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 2/21/2008

Mike, I think all you're being asked to do is look at a realistc scenario, not an extreme. If your theory is correct, then you shouldn't care what the number is.



You're late to the party.

The belief amongst several users are that strikeouts = contact outs.

If they are equal, 50% in either direction of outs recorded shouldn't matter. 14 GB/FB happen all the time. 14K do not. However, when 14K does happen, the team whiffing doesn't score very much. I'm willing to bet on this. I'm declaring it to be true and daring anyone to wager that it's not.

No takers.


Doesn't matter to me if it only happens once next year. I'm willing to take that chance. That's how sure I am of it.

Any takers?
2/21/2008 11:49 AM
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Mike only says small sample size when it helps him. When the women call him on it, he says he was just in the pool and the water was cold.
2/21/2008 11:50 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008
There were only 74 14+ K games the entire year.
Out of 4862.
1 out of 66.
1.5%
OUTLIER.


I'll take it. Since you found this info, I'm sure you know how many runs the offending team scored. Care to share?
2/21/2008 11:50 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008Doesn't matter to me if it only happens once next year. I'm willing to take that chance. That's how sure I am of it.

Any takers


If it only happens once it proves NOTHING.

2/21/2008 11:51 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008

There were only 74 14+ K games the entire year.
Out of 4862.
1 out of 66.
1.5%
OUTLIER.



I'll take it. Since you found this info, I'm sure you know how many runs the offending team scored. Care to share?
Not a clue. I used a database not boxscores.
2/21/2008 11:51 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Doesn't matter to me if it only happens once next year. I'm willing to take that chance. That's how sure I am of it.


Any takers?



If it only happens once it proves NOTHING.





Evidently it happened 74 times last season. That's enough for me. How much are you willing to wager?
2/21/2008 11:54 AM
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Now, since I've answered your questions and given you my reasons for refusing the flawed logic of your wager, answer my question.
Are you arguing that teams score more runs when they strikeout less?
2/21/2008 11:55 AM
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nuke, what website did you use to find that information?
2/21/2008 11:58 AM
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2/21/2008 11:59 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
Doesn't matter to me if it only happens once next year. I'm willing to take that chance. That's how sure I am of it.


Any takers?



If it only happens once it proves NOTHING.






Evidently it happened 74 times last season. That's enough for me. How much are you willing to wager?


League record for homers is 73. That was enough for me to determine that Bonds was pretty good at hitting home runs. 74 instances of 14+ whiffs will tell me plenty.
2/21/2008 12:00 PM
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No it won't. It's an outlier. Comparing it to a homerun total is ridiculous.
If the logic is sound it will apply in all situations.
2/21/2008 12:01 PM
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Yes, it will. And you won't bet it because you know I'm right. Go back thru time. Figure it out for every season. The numbers will tell you that if you strikeout 50%+ in a game, you will not score very much.
Therefore, strikeouts are not like "every other out".
2/21/2008 12:08 PM
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Why are you giving all the credit for the K to the hitter mike?
2/21/2008 12:12 PM
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If the logic is sound it will apply to all situations. Not just the 1.5% that you think help your argument.
There are two sides arguing a point. Both want to examine a situation to determine who's right.
One side is only willing to examine a very limited numbers of games they selected on the basis that they think those games will prove them right.
The other side wants to look at all the games.
Hmmm...I wonder who is more confident in their posistion.
2/21/2008 12:12 PM
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