Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 12/03/2009
Consider it confirmed. Back in the days when I crushed morons (fun but a waste of time), they hated hated HATED that. You, on the other hand, have never been more relevant than a mosquito on a donkey's butt.

But what does any of that have to do with your myth about "screwing power teams?" Doesn't your self-indulgent look-at-swamp thread provide enough attention?

Wow, when Narcissus himself accusses you of seeking attention maybe you are too exposed. Maybe I can sneak into one of Anton's cocktail party's to get some attention.

The power teams are screwed isnt a myth. And actually most of the people here dont seem to disagree, they just like it.

Or a matter of semantics.

You could easily look at it as "power teams getting screwed". The real issue is the who that did the screwing. What most people are saying is that those teams did it to themselves by being one-dimensional and setting up teams that could not withstand changes to a facet of the game.

I mean, what is it that makes this game enjoyable? For me the lure was to run a team in some sort of manner that mimics the real thing. When the program that runs the game has obvious flaws in it, I'm not about to whine because I put all my eggs in one basket - the one that happened to be the most unrealistic one that needed changing.

It isnt like I picked one rating and all my players are based on that. I did favor power above all other stats. I went on defense also. Tried to pick up people that had high splits and average right splits, seemed like they were going cheap.

The point is that because of a major change in the game I am going to be out of the picture for years.

I am in agreement that the sample size to determine the actual effect of this "power change" is still too small. However, I am indeed seeing .200-.300 point dropoffs in OPS in several of my players, who have other excellent attributes besides high Power. I'm also seeing it with other players around the league.

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/03/2009
It isnt like I picked one rating and all my players are based on that. I did favor power above all other stats. I went on defense also. Tried to pick up people that had high splits and average right splits, seemed like they were going cheap.

The point is that because of a major change in the game I am going to be out of the picture for years.

If you built your team around defense then you didnt get screwed at all. It all balances out. They made defense more valuable in the last update. So, you lose some power and gain some advantage with your gloves.

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/03/2009
It isnt like I picked one rating and all my players are based on that. I did favor power above all other stats. I went on defense also. Tried to pick up people that had high splits and average right splits, seemed like they were going cheap.

The point is that because of a major change in the game I am going to be out of the picture for years.

LMFAO...uhhh...unless you're talking about players other than the ones I posted...no you didn't.

Well, wait -- I shouldn't say you didn't try, you might have tried. But you didn't do it. Because the guys I listed don't have splits worthy of being on a major league roster.

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 12/04/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/03/2009

It isnt like I picked one rating and all my players are based on that. I did favor power above all other stats. I went on defense also. Tried to pick up people that had high splits and average right splits, seemed like they were going cheap.

The point is that because of a major change in the game I am going to be out of the picture for years.

LMFAO...uhhh...unless you're talking about players other than the ones I posted...no you didn't.

Well, wait -- I shouldn't say you didn't try, you might have tried. But you didn't do it. Because the guys I listed don't have splits worthy of being on a major league roster.

This is the interesting part. You may believe that these guys didnt have ratings worthy of a major league roster, but they all had been successful at the major league level for multiple seasons.

You are mixing what you wanted the ratings to mean, with how they have always impacted play.

please define successful swamp, because looking at your Kaline team's offense, i can't believe that is how you define success

Quote: Originally Posted By bighead34 on 11/22/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 11/22/2009

Let me open it up for just a moment.

How can my players do well last year if they are horrible. My point is that suddenly my players are much worse.

They werent bad last year, or the year before. Dont make it sound like my players were horrible and I just noticed it now, The game changed in a very unfair and ill conceived way.

no, your players have always been bad...since season 11 your team has lead the league in Outs/Plate Appearances (and continues to lead this year)...[B]your offense has finished 21st, 29th, 31st, and 28th in runs scored during this period[/B]...that is not a recommended strategy for winning games...did you ever wonder why despite having all these "good" players putting up "good" numbers your team is never better than .500 during this period?...did this minor tweak to the engine tamp down the only area of relative strength of your offense? yes, but you weren't winning with your formula anywa

you keep claiming you've been screwed, but in reality you never really understood how to put an offense together...its pretty hard to finish last in OBP year after year

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/04/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 12/04/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/03/2009

It isnt like I picked one rating and all my players are based on that. I did favor power above all other stats. I went on defense also. Tried to pick up people that had high splits and average right splits, seemed like they were going cheap.

The point is that because of a major change in the game I am going to be out of the picture for years.

LMFAO...uhhh...unless you're talking about players other than the ones I posted...no you didn't.

Well, wait -- I shouldn't say you didn't try, you might have tried. But you didn't do it. Because the guys I listed don't have splits worthy of being on a major league roster.

This is the interesting part. You may believe that these guys didnt have ratings worthy of a major league roster, but they all had been successful at the major league level for multiple seasons.

You are mixing what you wanted the ratings to mean, with how they have always impacted play.

Unfortunately swamp, given that I have time and time again explained why your players are not successful, and you keep telling me why they were in the past proves that A) you don't understand what the ratings mean and what they do and B) that YOU are the one trying to push the agenda to get the ratings to mean what you want them to mean.

You're the one who hypocritically wants pitching splits to be very important and hitting splits to have no importance (we went over this earlier in this thread), and that pretty much sums up everything we need to know.

Okay you guys, page 12. Isn't that enough beating up on swamp? He's lovin' it, BTW. That's why he prolongs an argument that is obviously going nowhere.

Quote: Originally posted by firemanrob on 11/14/2009In my world there is a team, Vancouver, who has 3 of the top 6 HR leaders thruogh 31 games (still early in the season).  #1 http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1760560 #3 http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1343624#6 http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=13435842 of these guys are big time power hitters, although Snyder is a little weak against righties.  By the end of the season, some of these stats may work itself out, but in the early going it would seem these guys haven't been hurt too badly by the changes.  3 guys projected to go over 70 HRs

Midseason update:
Here are 3 guys on pace to hit 70+ homers, hit .300+ and drive in 180+ RBIs. They may have changed SOME things with HRs, but its obvious that the top notch guys will still get theirs.

Fonzie Kelly
Julio Arias
Johnnie Elster

Quote: Originally posted by firemanrob on 12/04/2009

Quote: Originally posted by firemanrob on 11/14/2009In my world there is a team, Vancouver, who has 3 of the top 6 HR leaders thruogh 31 games (still early in the season).  #1 http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1760560 #3 http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1343624#6 http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=13435842 of these guys are big time power hitters, although Snyder is a little weak against righties.  By the end of the season, some of these stats may work itself out, but in the early going it would seem these guys haven't been hurt too badly by the changes.  3 guys projected to go over 70 HRs

Midseason update:
Here are 3 guys on pace to hit 70+ homers, hit .300+ and drive in 180+ RBIs. They may have changed SOME things with HRs, but its obvious that the top notch guys will still get theirs.

Fonzie Kelly
Julio Arias
Johnnie Elster

I'd love to see WIS drop those power #s another 15%.

I think it would be reasonable for wis to take the ability of monster all around players to hit outrageous amounts of HRs.

The simple low average power hitter, ala Gorman Thomas, should be returned to their former levels!

I think it would be reasonable to expect numbers closer to real life. It's obvious that the numbers are still a little higher than real life and I think you most people and WIS can accept that. I also think most people and WIS can accept tweaking a system that allows career AA and AAA guys to hit .250+ and 30+ HRs.