Quote: Originally posted by volk on 1/18/2010Hey Patrick,

I know you'll be making a formal announcement tomorrow. I just thought of one more question though.

In MVP voting, if an owner doesn't cast a ballot, the sim casts one for him. After the winner is announced, a breakdown of voting always adds up to 32 (I'm assuming this is true, and not that every owner in my world votes every season). Will the same hold true for the HOF? There's a lot of concern in this thread that some deserving players won't be voted in due to too many new owners not casting votes. But if the HOF works like MVP/Cy Young, that wouldn't be an issue if the sim submitted a ballot in place of owners that neglect to.

Obviously I can't answer how WifS is going to do it, but in a world that I was running the blog we discussed having a HoF for a while and voting was one of the tougher issues due varying levels of participation.

The criteria we came up with was 75% yes and at least 12 yes votes.

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patrick, your post still doesn't answer some of the questions in here. For the requirements to be eligible for user nomination, there's been some confusion.

Does a position player need 10 individual seasons with 400+ PA or does he need to have a career of at least 10 seasons and average 400+ PA over the entirety of his career?

For pitchers, what happens to the guy who's an excellent SP for 8-9 years, then an excellent RP for 5-6 years but doesn't get 3 CYs or 7 AS apps? Just not eligible?

I really wish you'd make the requirements for user nomination simply at least 10 seasons in the majors. The voters can figure it out from there.

The update says that if a player is nominated 5 times and not elected, he is done.

What if a player is NOT nominated any number of times? Is he always eligible to be nominated until he is nominated 5 times and not elected? Or if you skip nominating a guy, does he disappear after a set # of years or something?

I may have missed it but I didn't the see the number of voted required for induction.

The player has to have played for 10+ ML seasons and average 400PA per season of ML play. For pitchers, they have to have played 10+ ML seasons and average 150IP per season of play or 50IP per season of play.

Seasons in which they have no data (i.e. seasons that are generated randomly upon world creation are NOT included).

If we just made it 10+ ML seasons the list would be unmanageable. I don't think that that is the route we want to or are going to take.

Relief pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 50+ IP per season.
Starting pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 150+ IP per season.

How are you going to distinguish between the two?

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 1/19/2010I may have missed it but I didn't the see the number of voted required for induction.

Thanks Mike! That's in there now and you will all be happy to know we have reduced the original count from 20 to 17.

I don't think you've thought through the unintended consequences of making it averages over the whole career. What about guys who are kept around as backups or pinch-hitters or mopup guys for 4-5 seasons after they're done being stars and it drops their averages below the limit?

Quote: Originally posted by gin_caesar on 1/19/2010Relief pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 50+ IP per season.
Starting pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 150+ IP per season.How are you going to distinguish between the two?

10+ ML years and an average of 150IP per season OR 10+ ML years and an average 50IP per season.

Quote: Originally posted by benj13blue on 1/19/2010I don't think you've thought through the unintended consequences of making it averages over the whole career. What about guys who are kept around as backups or pinch-hitters or mopup guys for 4-5 seasons after they're done being stars and it drops their averages below the limit?

They have to meet the qualifications in order to be eligible. If we find that the requirements are too high we can change them very easily. This was already discussed at length in the previous pages.

Quote: Originally posted by patrickm885 on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally posted by gin_caesar on 1/19/2010Relief pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 50+ IP per season.Starting pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 150+ IP per season.How are you going to distinguish between the two?

10+ ML years and an average of 150IP per season OR 10+ ML years and an average 50IP per season.

So in other words, going back to my
Edge Carlyle question from earlier, since he averaged about 170 IP over 11 seasons, he would be eligible as a starter (despite only being a starter for 8 seasons).

Whereas hypothetically, if he still played 11 ML seasons, but he had been moved to reliever a few years earlier, and ended up only averaging 130 IP, he'd be eligible as a reliever? Am I understanding that correctly?

Why not just say they need to have had:

At least 10 seasons of 400+ PAs for position players.

A combination of at least 10 seasons of 150+ IP as a starter or 50+ G as a reliever?

That would cut out all the people who played a handful of seasons as a starter and a handful as a backup, but it would make it unlikely that some of the players who were among the very best in their world (like Haywood Towers) would be ineligible.

Actually just found an error with the eligibility requirements that I posted (apologies)

For relievers it's 50G per season for 10+ ML seasons and for starting pitchers it's 150IP per season for 10+ ML seasons.

It's been updated in this thread and the update announcement.

Actually, even under what I just proposed, Haywood would be ineligible. I guess we'll just have to start our own HOF on the blog so we can vote on whoever we want to.