FYI - I cross-checked ozomatli's standings with mine. I found a few differences. The good news is that in most cases, ozomatli's standings are correct. The only difference that needs to be corrected is that mpitt76 should get one more point. He scored 27 bonus points.

But the main point is that it's good to have a couple of different sets of eyes looking at this manual process.

Thanks schwarze!

Posted by odalisgagne on 8/10/2020 2:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by justinlee_24 on 8/10/2020 2:04:00 PM (view original):
In the Hunt for the Cage

beauchamp has punched his ticket to round 2 with a dramatic game 7 win.

23 playoff spots are locked in, and the 24th spot will be determined by one playoff series, featuring ozomatli vs. NebHusker (ozomatli leads 1-0).

If NebHusker wins the WS, he is in, otherwise PennQuaker advances.

Eliminated

#25 buddhagamer (546) Zero teams remaining. Loses the tiebreaker (Regular season wins) to PennQuaker.
#26 jbohrman (544) Zero teams remaining. As the current #24 has 546 points, jbohrman is eliminated (unless there are dropouts).
#27 besterateam (543) Zero teams remaining. As the current #24 has 546 points, besterateam is eliminated (unless there are dropouts)
#28 rbow923 (542) Zero teams remaining. As the current #24 has 546 points, rbow923 is eliminated (unless there are dropouts)
#29 ballsweatsux (540) Zero teams remaining. As the current #24 has 546 points, ballsweatsux is eliminated (unless there are dropouts)
#30 barracuda3 (538) Zero teams remaining. As the current #24 has 546 points, barracuda3 is eliminated (unless there are dropouts)
#31 ledfoot (533) Zero teams remaining. As the current #24 has 546 points, ledfoot is eliminated (unless there are dropouts)

Man...that is a lot of talent on the outside looking in.

Strong group this year. And lots of new talent emerging as well. Guys like 06gsp, d_rock97, marinerrott, and pkearns are making their mark.

Not to even mention the second year players who've again done well — skunk206, milest, mjkrunner

Northof49 had one playoff team and earned 21 points. Between them, brianjw and schwarze had 10 teams and earned 16 points.

I'm not saying the point system should change, but I guess it comes down to what you think playoff points are supposed to be. Especially if playoffs have been established to be essentially 50-50.

Posted by redcped on 8/11/2020 11:34:00 AM (view original):
Northof49 had one playoff team and earned 21 points. Between them, brianjw and schwarze had 10 teams and earned 16 points.

I'm not saying the point system should change, but I guess it comes down to what you think playoff points are supposed to be. Especially if playoffs have been established to be essentially 50-50.

But at one point per playoff win, are we rewarding playoff luck that heavily? And you can’t eliminate luck from the tournament-some teams landed in easier leagues than others, some teams did better in one run games than others.

I think it’s more the 10 point bonus he’s referring to

might be an idea to break it up so that say 3 points for making the WS and 7 for actually winning it. Having all ten points be awarded for winning one game at the end is going to make luck a bigger factor.

Or what about something like

1 bonus point for winning round 1
3 bonus points for winning the LCS
5 bonus points for winning the WS

The topic of how much playoffs should be worth comes up every year, going all the way back to when I first started this tournament.

It can be argued that my playoff point system was too rewarding for good playoff performance (5 points for making the playoffs and 5 points for each round won, plus 1 point per win). That's a maximum of 31 points for winning a World Series, and a minimum of 5 points for making playoffs and getting swept in round 1. The average teams would get about 13.7 points per playoff team.

ozomatli's new formula reduced the significance of playoff performance, which based on my recent results the past few years, is fine by me. The 10-point bonus for winning the world series does seem significant though. Winning that one game resulted in more points than my five playoff teams combined.

What is the right answer? When I enter a team in a random league, my first goal is to make the playoffs. I think making the playoffs should get something extra. It's an achievement. Yes, there is some division luck involved, but that's not any different than other types of luck, including 1-run games. It's still the goal. (1) Make the playoffs. The second goal is to win the World Series, once in the playoffs. But you do have to win the divisional series first. Then the LCS.

I like where doctorcc is going. I would tweak it slightly.

Making the playoffs: 2 bonus points
Winning Round 1: 1 bonus point*
Winning LCS: 3 bonus points
Winning World Series: 5 bonus points.
+ 1 point per game won.

*Can we all agree that making the playoffs is just a tiny bit harder than winning a best of 3 series... which means we should get some kind of bonus for making the playoffs. And to those who want to argue that "playoff teams already get rewarded by accumulating more win points", tell that to all the teams that got swept in the first round.

What this proposed formula does is reduce the variance of bonus points between the playoff teams. A World series winner will score 22 points. But there will be a lot more playoff teams with 2-4 points instead of 0-2 points.

And you won't see some 80-82 World Series winner outscoring the cumulative total of 10 teams (like me & brianjw).

this makes sense.

Makes sense to me

seems reasonable.

I said it last year and I'll probably say it every year going forward:
There shouldn't be a bonus for just making the playoffs... It simply is not fair and fairness should be what matters.
13 teams made the playoffs with 83 or fewer wins----- Fewest being 79 (x2)
11 teams with 90 or more wins missed the playoffs-----Most being 94 (x2)
You CANNOT justify giving a bonus to a team that won 79 games while a team winning 94 games gets no bonus. It makes no sense whatsoever.

There will be no updates to the playoff point formula at this time. I may revisit it in the future but for now let's focus on Round 2.

Posted by ozomatli on 8/11/2020 1:24:00 PM (view original):
There will be no updates to the playoff point formula at this time. I may revisit it in the future but for now let's focus on Round 2.

I think we all assumed we were talking about the future - would be unfair to change it between rounds during the WISC.