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Posted by strikeout26 on 9/13/2021 9:15:00 PM (view original):
No, usually when you get down to the root cause it is personal choice.

You can probably guess what my next question is: why do some races seem to, on average, make worse or different personal choices? And if you answer "because of culture," I'm gonna ask why the cultures differ. When you get down to it, the only explanations are racism or some intrinsic differences.

If when other races fail to prosper it is because of racism, what's the reason when white people fail?

Considering the fact that I explicitly said "on average" in this post, I really hope that you're asking me about white people being held behind as a group and not individual white people being poor or whatever.

If so, would love to see some examples of white people failing and maybe I can explain for you.

Each group is made up of individuals.

Are you saying that while some races "on average" make poorer decisions it is because of racism, however some individuals of those races just make poor decisions that have nothing to do with racism?

If a significantly greater number of people from a certain race is making worse decisions, don't you think there's probably some systemic reason why that might be?

Or is your argument seriously "some white people are poor so racism no exist"?

Or could it be, and I’m just spit-ballin’, that institutional racism used to exist (but there’s no actual evidence that it still exists), but that past racism still has some effect today.

Posted by bruceleefan on 9/14/2021 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Do you also agree, that at some age an individual must take personal responsibility for his or her actions?

Regardless of one's past, at some point you, as a grown up, must choose to make different decisions if you want to succeed.

Having a built-in reason to fail helps no one. Ever.

Yes, which is why in the post RIGHT ABOVE YOURS I say verbatim that racism is probably not the only (or primary) reason that anyone fails to achieve success.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 9/14/2021 11:14:00 AM (view original):
This authoritarian rule is going to prove much more dangerous long-term than Covid. History has shown us that. I'm not sure it's in your best interest to be rooting for an elected dictator.

You can do better than this. You can oppose the law without using hyperbolic language like "authoritarian" and "dictator".

Unless you can explain how this law helps set up a one party state and ends American Democracy?

It’s not hyperbole. It’s incrementalism. Authoritarianism doesn’t happen overnight. It happens in small steps. Dictators test the waters to see what freedoms they can strip without a public outcry. The left has been doing this for years, pushing further and further.

Pick any of the 20th century despots. Go back and look at the progression during that time in that country.

Conservatives have been saying this about the left for decades. When, exactly, is this authoritarian state supposed to actually start? They called racial integration "communism".

And why, exactly, are you singling out the left here? I seem to remember that many freedoms were lost under Reagan, Bush, and Trump. Those presidents expanded government significantly.

But sure, today it's vaccines and tomorrow it's a single party state. I'm sure there's connective tissue there.

I’m not a fan of Republicans either. Republicans gave us the patriot act. I’m in favor of extremely limited government. The Republicans don’t care about limited government. Both parties use “crises” as an excuse to take away freedoms. I call out the left because they are currently in power and to answer your question about when the authoritarian state is supposed to begin, it already has. It’s here.

OK, at least you're consistent on this one. I respect that. We just have a different definition of what "authoritarianism" means. You can't have democratic elections and multiple parties within an authoritarian state.

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Posted by laramiebob on 9/14/2021 12:32:00 PM (view original):
I see the recent absence of strikeout didn't cause him to get smarter!!

NOW, he's the purveyor of deadly misinformation about COVID!!
As bad as the likes of Tucker Carlson.

The FACT is, people are getting sick of COVID each and every day, BOTH vaccinated and unvaccinated (at a much much higher rate).
SOME DIE, (like my neighbor). USUALLY if you are vaccinated you won't die............BUT some will!!

As for the post infection vaccination issue.

HERE are the REAL facts. Basically it's all about timing.

Virologists have been studying this virus VERY actively for quite a while now.
They've LEARNED a few things.

One of which is they've identified a "condition" of super-human immunity.
Some people in their study groups have developed extremely high anti-bodies that seem to attack ALL the sars virus's (including past virus's from years ago!!) and defeat them!! Super immunity if you will.

BUT, it occurs due to the timing of those study recipients RECEIVING vaccination shots at (precise) post infection periods of time wherein they had remaining anti-bodies that had waned but not gone completely away and the Vaccination (thus) BOOSTED their levels of anti-bodies to hugely effective levels. At present the scientific consensus is that repeat vaccinations (read that as BOOSTERS!) given at the correct time period (relative to the amount of anti-bodies remaining in the individual) will replicate the SAME result. They are working on it NOW!

NOT getting vaccinated is akin to intentionally risking the health of the entire National populace.
In a word or two it is IRRESPONSIBLY stupid and unpatriotic to the utmost!!

George Washington (remember HIM!) MANDATED vaccinations for his Revolutionary Army.

I'm an ******* who just wants people to STOP this lying delusion being spread by MORONS who have made HEALTH political!

Name one piece of misinformation that I’ve spread. Go ahead. I’m waiting. I am wrong that the vaccine is safe? Am I wrong that the vaccine is effective? I am wrong that almost all of the breakthrough deaths have been people that are 65 or older and have at least 3 underlying conditions? Am I wrong that a breakthrough hospitalization or serious illness is rare? I’m starting to wonder if you’re an anti-vaxer. You don’t seem to think that it actually works.

Yes YOU are WRONG!

NOT all "breakthrough deaths" have been folks 65 or older!
NOT all deaths have been in folks with 3 underlying conditions!
Breakthrough "serious illness" is NOT rare....... though fortunately hospitalizations ARE!

Just this morning I read an article (on NPR.ORG) written by a twice vaccinated person who still got the COVID - 19 virus ON HER 1st TRIP back east (from Seattle). Her case was "mild".

"Mild" is a catchall category used by Doctors to describe ANY case of COVID that does NOT require Hospitalization.
In her case. The bout with COVID - 19 lasted several days and she described it as the worst case of flu she's ever had in her lifetime.
It took her a total recovery time of 1 MONTH to get back to "normal".
She was lucky!

Many are NOT so Lucky.

You also claimed that getting vaccinated after already having been infected was unnecessary.
THAT notion is completely misinformed!

Thus in one day you have spread MORE misinformation and BULLsh*t about Covid than anyone on here in my recent memory!!

I'm a complete supporter of humans using their intelligence and in this case, with all the information we KNOW about the virus AND the various vaccines (as I stated earlier) ANYONE refusing to get a vaccination shot against COVID (except those unable to because of their OWN health condition) are irresponsible and VERY un-Patriotic. I know personally a VERY nice woman who is responsible for a DEATH because of her anti-vaxxer beliefs.
And now she's helping organize (what I call) a celebration of DEATH in so-called "honor" of the deceased.

This will make the 2nd superspreader event she's caused in 3 weeks in a small community!
I'd like to march up to her door, politely knock, and ask her HOW MANY FOLKS DO YOU HAVE TO KILL BEFORE YOU GET A F-ING CLUE!

Don't tell ME about anti vaxxers!
Or Trump supporters!
I've had it to the hilt with stupid folks causing damage!

I say Momma Nature.........bring it ON!
Survival of the fittest.
Infect all the Morons! (who won't smarten up NOW!)

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Posted by Jetson21 on 9/14/2021 11:37:00 AM (view original):
On elected dictator - that could be said about anyone with policies that some disagree with.
Framing issues with such pejorative and inflammatory descriptions does nothing to advance a position and really just polarizes.

We do have a checks and balances system.
I trust this Supreme Court to decide the majority of issues on even handed legal principles. I really do.

If the president is being a “dictator “ then so are school districts and mayors and pro vaccine governors.

All of this will be before the Supreme Court very soon
and it is exciting and stirring to watch the reasoning when it happens.

We have a legislative branch. People tend to forget that. We have had elected dictators for the past 13 years. If they can’t get Congress to do exactly what they want, they just use an EO. That’s not how our country was intended to function.

.. that's still not what dictator means.

What are you talking about? An EO is about as close as you can get to one person having absolute power.

...no. Maybe it's as close as you can get within our country, a Democratic Republic, but holding absolute power is the closest thing to holding absolute power. Dictators don't typically leave office when people vote them out.

There will never be limited government in the USA.
That ship has sailed.
I can’t see the point in discussing an impossible and unrealizable philosophy.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/14/2021 6:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 9/14/2021 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Here, let me give an example of a straight, incremental line towards authoritarianism.

1. Right now, pretty much every major election that is lost by a Republican is met with fraud. They haven't even finished voting yet in California and ALREADY Larry Elder is saying that the election is rigged. I don't see this trend reversing anytime soon.
2. During the aftermath of the 2020 election, states with Republican majority legislatures that Biden won attempted to overturn the election result in the State Congress, but were often countered by other powers in the state such as the Secretary of State.
3. Many Republican states are also stripping power from Secretaries of State and giving them to the legislature.

Therefore, in the near future we could see an election rightfully won by a Democrat but overturned by a conservative Congress. There's a direct line between current action and authoritarianism/corruption in the future.

I’m old enough to remember when Hillary Clinton claimed for four years that the election was stolen from her. I’m also old enough to remember when the DNC announced Stacy Abrams as the rightful governor of GA at the convention. Don’t pretend like this is one a one-sided thing.

This is also why I think the Republicans were stupid for going down this road. Had they accepted the results, it definitely would have given them the moral high ground. They ****** that away.

Maybe we just have totally different memories, because I seem to remember Hillary Clinton conceding the election the day after it happened. I also don't remember Democrats holding massive rallies where they tried to claim fraud without evidence, or Clinton tweeting that the VP would be a traitor if they didn't single-handedly overturn the election, or Democrats storming the capitol building to overturn the election. I don't remember Democrats changing election laws to make it easier for politicians to choose who wins directly, or reducing barriers that prevented stolen elections. I don't remember Democrats who lost by 20+ points claiming that elections were rigged, and I also don't remember Democrats claiming that elections were rigged before they happen.

But hey, maybe I just have horrible memory loss.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 9/13/2021 9:15:00 PM (view original):
No, usually when you get down to the root cause it is personal choice.

You can probably guess what my next question is: why do some races seem to, on average, make worse or different personal choices? And if you answer "because of culture," I'm gonna ask why the cultures differ. When you get down to it, the only explanations are racism or some intrinsic differences.

If when other races fail to prosper it is because of racism, what's the reason when white people fail?

Considering the fact that I explicitly said "on average" in this post, I really hope that you're asking me about white people being held behind as a group and not individual white people being poor or whatever.

If so, would love to see some examples of white people failing and maybe I can explain for you.

Each group is made up of individuals.

Are you saying that while some races "on average" make poorer decisions it is because of racism, however some individuals of those races just make poor decisions that have nothing to do with racism?

If a significantly greater number of people from a certain race is making worse decisions, don't you think there's probably some systemic reason why that might be?

Or is your argument seriously "some white people are poor so racism no exist"?

Or could it be, and I’m just spit-ballin’, that institutional racism used to exist (but there’s no actual evidence that it still exists), but that past racism still has some effect today.

Do I need to break out the massive posts linking dozens of studies proving that institutional racism still exists (you've never responded to it by the way, to my knowledge)? There's a mountain of evidence that it does exist still today.

But even if that's wrong, I would still be correct that racism is the root cause for why black people, as a group (NOT INDIVIDUALLY), have worse economic outcomes today.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/14/2021 6:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 9/14/2021 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Here, let me give an example of a straight, incremental line towards authoritarianism.

1. Right now, pretty much every major election that is lost by a Republican is met with fraud. They haven't even finished voting yet in California and ALREADY Larry Elder is saying that the election is rigged. I don't see this trend reversing anytime soon.
2. During the aftermath of the 2020 election, states with Republican majority legislatures that Biden won attempted to overturn the election result in the State Congress, but were often countered by other powers in the state such as the Secretary of State.
3. Many Republican states are also stripping power from Secretaries of State and giving them to the legislature.

Therefore, in the near future we could see an election rightfully won by a Democrat but overturned by a conservative Congress. There's a direct line between current action and authoritarianism/corruption in the future.

I’m old enough to remember when Hillary Clinton claimed for four years that the election was stolen from her. I’m also old enough to remember when the DNC announced Stacy Abrams as the rightful governor of GA at the convention. Don’t pretend like this is one a one-sided thing.

This is also why I think the Republicans were stupid for going down this road. Had they accepted the results, it definitely would have given them the moral high ground. They ****** that away.

Hilary never claimed that and conceded.
That Abrams thing is plainly disingenuous.

Neither of these come close to what’s going on in the GOP currently; Elder has a website claiming the election was stolen in CA before the election. And it’s all very different from what Trump was doing from November through January 6th in Az, Ga, Pa, and DC through secretary of states and VPs and the house and etc, etc, etc. and that insurrection thing.

But you actually seem to just be very proud about how above it all you are so I’ll make sure to get the blow job committee started on your parade, guy.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/hillary-clinton-concedes-election-donald-trump-speech

Hilary did concede,and believe me, I am no Hilary Clinton fan.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/14/2021 6:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 9/14/2021 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Here, let me give an example of a straight, incremental line towards authoritarianism.

1. Right now, pretty much every major election that is lost by a Republican is met with fraud. They haven't even finished voting yet in California and ALREADY Larry Elder is saying that the election is rigged. I don't see this trend reversing anytime soon.
2. During the aftermath of the 2020 election, states with Republican majority legislatures that Biden won attempted to overturn the election result in the State Congress, but were often countered by other powers in the state such as the Secretary of State.
3. Many Republican states are also stripping power from Secretaries of State and giving them to the legislature.

Therefore, in the near future we could see an election rightfully won by a Democrat but overturned by a conservative Congress. There's a direct line between current action and authoritarianism/corruption in the future.

I’m old enough to remember when Hillary Clinton claimed for four years that the election was stolen from her. I’m also old enough to remember when the DNC announced Stacy Abrams as the rightful governor of GA at the convention. Don’t pretend like this is one a one-sided thing.

This is also why I think the Republicans were stupid for going down this road. Had they accepted the results, it definitely would have given them the moral high ground. They ****** that away.

maybe you are old enough to not remember correctly?

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Posted by laramiebob on 9/14/2021 12:32:00 PM (view original):
I see the recent absence of strikeout didn't cause him to get smarter!!

NOW, he's the purveyor of deadly misinformation about COVID!!
As bad as the likes of Tucker Carlson.

The FACT is, people are getting sick of COVID each and every day, BOTH vaccinated and unvaccinated (at a much much higher rate).
SOME DIE, (like my neighbor). USUALLY if you are vaccinated you won't die............BUT some will!!

As for the post infection vaccination issue.

HERE are the REAL facts. Basically it's all about timing.

Virologists have been studying this virus VERY actively for quite a while now.
They've LEARNED a few things.

One of which is they've identified a "condition" of super-human immunity.
Some people in their study groups have developed extremely high anti-bodies that seem to attack ALL the sars virus's (including past virus's from years ago!!) and defeat them!! Super immunity if you will.

BUT, it occurs due to the timing of those study recipients RECEIVING vaccination shots at (precise) post infection periods of time wherein they had remaining anti-bodies that had waned but not gone completely away and the Vaccination (thus) BOOSTED their levels of anti-bodies to hugely effective levels. At present the scientific consensus is that repeat vaccinations (read that as BOOSTERS!) given at the correct time period (relative to the amount of anti-bodies remaining in the individual) will replicate the SAME result. They are working on it NOW!

NOT getting vaccinated is akin to intentionally risking the health of the entire National populace.
In a word or two it is IRRESPONSIBLY stupid and unpatriotic to the utmost!!

George Washington (remember HIM!) MANDATED vaccinations for his Revolutionary Army.

I'm an ******* who just wants people to STOP this lying delusion being spread by MORONS who have made HEALTH political!

Name one piece of misinformation that I’ve spread. Go ahead. I’m waiting. I am wrong that the vaccine is safe? Am I wrong that the vaccine is effective? I am wrong that almost all of the breakthrough deaths have been people that are 65 or older and have at least 3 underlying conditions? Am I wrong that a breakthrough hospitalization or serious illness is rare? I’m starting to wonder if you’re an anti-vaxer. You don’t seem to think that it actually works.

Yes YOU are WRONG!

NOT all "breakthrough deaths" have been folks 65 or older!
NOT all deaths have been in folks with 3 underlying conditions!
Breakthrough "serious illness" is NOT rare....... though fortunately hospitalizations ARE!

Just this morning I read an article (on NPR.ORG) written by a twice vaccinated person who still got the COVID - 19 virus ON HER 1st TRIP back east (from Seattle). Her case was "mild".

"Mild" is a catchall category used by Doctors to describe ANY case of COVID that does NOT require Hospitalization.
In her case. The bout with COVID - 19 lasted several days and she described it as the worst case of flu she's ever had in her lifetime.
It took her a total recovery time of 1 MONTH to get back to "normal".
She was lucky!

Many are NOT so Lucky.

You also claimed that getting vaccinated after already having been infected was unnecessary.
THAT notion is completely misinformed!

Thus in one day you have spread MORE misinformation and BULLsh*t about Covid than anyone on here in my recent memory!!

I'm a complete supporter of humans using their intelligence and in this case, with all the information we KNOW about the virus AND the various vaccines (as I stated earlier) ANYONE refusing to get a vaccination shot against COVID (except those unable to because of their OWN health condition) are irresponsible and VERY un-Patriotic. I know personally a VERY nice woman who is responsible for a DEATH because of her anti-vaxxer beliefs.
And now she's helping organize (what I call) a celebration of DEATH in so-called "honor" of the deceased.

This will make the 2nd superspreader event she's caused in 3 weeks in a small community!
I'd like to march up to her door, politely knock, and ask her HOW MANY FOLKS DO YOU HAVE TO KILL BEFORE YOU GET A F-ING CLUE!

Don't tell ME about anti vaxxers!
Or Trump supporters!
I've had it to the hilt with stupid folks causing damage!

I say Momma Nature.........bring it ON!
Survival of the fittest.
Infect all the Morons! (who won't smarten up NOW!)

So, the CDC data is wrong? Is that what you’re saying? I read the same NPR article. Throwing some anecdote out there doesn’t do much to support your case. A quick search of the CDC’s website will help you a ton.

The modern Republican Party top to bottom are like cops who steal drug evidence and sell it on the street and then arrest the buyers and keep the cycle going.
They have become a corrupt enterprise with intent to deceive and corrupt and lie and cheat and cover it up as best they can whenever they can.
Thus is who they are from President to Vice President to cabinet to both houses of Congress to most of their governors and state legislatures and school boards and condo associations.

And if you put a bunch of them in a room they will fight with each other over what conspiracy to talk about

communists are taking over
THEY are coming for your guns
vaccines developed with micro or potato chips in them
the elders of zion
who has better boots - the nazis or the kkk
the Covid hoax
the stolen election and Trump won
The audits
the lizard people
antifa
qanon
Biden has dementia
You must die free or live
The end of days
climate change is a hoax
vaccines kill not covid
we have the right to spread Covid because it is our country
dont trust smart people or doctors or scientists
the Holocaust is exaggerated or maybe even a hoax
elvis is still alive
oh and we must not force our school children in OUR country to learn anything about the African American experience because to do so is racist.

Reposted from pg 15


NOT getting vaccinated is akin to intentionally risking the health of the entire National populace.
In a word or two it is IRRESPONSIBLY stupid and unpatriotic to the utmost!!

SAYS WHO?? You?? Some elitist power tripping guilt tripping politician?

This is utter baloney. This is the kind of nonsense that is DIVIDING the nation.. also Canada. and guess what? I have the right to choose.. (this should sound familiar to you who like Margaret Sanger)

If you are all vaxxed, then how an I a threat to you anyhow?? I refuse to be bullied by these nazis.. but you love these power freaks.. and are so smart? You don't even see how twisted this whole thing has become

Now I need a 'Vaccine passport' to get into a restaurant, or even the gym where I hit the weight room. This is insane..
How come when the flu hits, they never do this to us?? They didn't do it for H1N1 either.
I do not claim to be any kind of prophet, but those guys got laughed at too, but everything they predicted came to pass.

and I say we are blinded by a web of lies and fear

about trusting smart people and doctors: Did you know that a doctor in Vancouver hired two people to kill.. murder a girl named Sean Simmonds?? His last name is Cholumbas (sp) He had molested her sexually, and he is a MONSTER. So you trust Dr. Kevorkian. Do you trust or even believe Dr. Teresa Tam?

If so, you are in a stupor, because 'doctors and scientists' can be just as wicked as the Mafia, in fact, much worse. You trust alphabet soup after a name? This is foolishness

I cannot believe how naiive people have become

May God wake us up before it is too late.. and 'too late' is closer than you think. Not far down the pike, is the 'mark of the beast.' It will be an ID thing. It will also be your statement of allegiance to a GLOBAL religious leader.. called the anti Christ (and he won't be dressed with horns) and you will not be able to buy or sell without it. Most of you will happily take it. It will be an easy sell. Trouble is, everyone who takes it is doomed to hell. This is not a joke.. and also their skin will break out in sores. Sounds like skin cancer or something.

I won't take that one either.

Cheers, and have a great day