Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 3:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 3:01:00 PM (view original):
You are right. We haven't had true capitalism in a very long time. The problem is that you and AOC and Bernie and the rest of the democratic party and a good portion of the republican party (although they would never say it publicly) want to take us much further towards socialism when we should be going the other direction.

Because pure capitalism has never failed.

At least we know that social programs work, in other countries. We are lagging behind.

But that's the thing. We know they don't work. There is not enough longitudinal data in the nordic countries to say it works. There is more than enough data that shows it doesn't work over a long period of time. It's too expensive.

Posted by laramiebob on 3/3/2019 3:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 2:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 1:53:00 PM (view original):
Arguing that Bill Gates should solve for every poor person in America is far more naive than saying that the government should provide child care.

You completely miss the point. I am not saying that Bill Gates is a humanitarian because he gives to charity. He does, but that is not what I am talking about. Bill Gates is a humanitarian because he creates millions of jobs for people. That is how you help the poor. Create an economic environment that promotes hiring. Our current system definitely does not do that. Let me ask you a question. Do you know how much you cost your employer?

Let me turn that around. Does your employer understand just HOW MUCH you are worth to HIS bottom line?

This is important, yes. You have to be a net benefit, but you know as well as me that it is very expensive to hire an employee meaning that employees have to bring even more to the table to justify hiring them.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 3:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 3:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 2:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 1:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Here's the thing, Tang. This is what the left seems to miss. The only reason people have jobs is because of the rich. The government produces nothing. We shouldn't punish people for taking risks and being successful. Guess what, if your newspaper doesn't turn a profit, you still get paid. Guess who doesn't get paid, the investors of your newspaper. They carry all of the risk. We shouldn't punish them when they provide a service that does happen to turn a profit.

Here's the other thing the left misses, Bill Gates and the Walton family has done far more for humanity than someone like Mother Teresa. Bill Gates and Sam Walton have provided an income for millions of people. They are already doing their part.

Socialism is by far the most immoral economic system.

The only reason people have jobs is because of the rich.

Someone's forgetting about federal workers.

We shouldn't punish people for taking risks and being successful

It's not a punishment.

Guess who doesn't get paid, the investors of your newspaper. They carry all of the risk.

They choose to make the investment. Poor people don't choose to be born into poverty.

Here's the other thing the left misses, Bill Gates and the Walton family has done far more for humanity than someone like Mother Teresa.

I am very happy for him. If every rich person was more like Bill Gates, the world would be a better place. Unfortunately, Bill Gates can't help every person. Bill Gate's job isn't to help the poor get childcare, it is to turn a profit. Private Prisons aren't looking to help people rehabilitate, they are looking to turn a profit. That's the problem with using other people to do the government's job.

Socialism is by far the most immoral economic system.

Many people believe that the Bible advocates for socialism.

It literally says that God's economic system involves taking from the rich and giving to the poor once every 50 years.

I'm not forgetting about federal workers. Where do you think the federal government gets their money from to pay the federal workers? I'll answer for you. The rich. The government doesn't produce anything. Everything they have, they have taken from those that do produce. The top 1% pays more in income than the bottom 90% combined. This why the whole "fair share" argument is complete bullshit. The rich already fund our whole country in both the private sector and government. And yet, all you hear is that we should take more and more.

Every rich person is like Bill Gates. They didn't get rich by putting their money under mattresses. They invest it, which creates jobs.

The top 1% pays more in income than the bottom 90%

Yes because they have more money than all of them combined. If the poor gave everything they own to the government, they would still provide less than the rich already do. That's why we tax the rich. I don't feel sorry for them.

Every rich person is like Bill Gates.

Not every rich person does a lot to help the community and the poor.



The rich should provide funds. They are rich.

Once again, you don't get it. EVERY rich person does do something to help the community. They provide JOBS. EVERY rich person provides jobs. Having a job is how you get out of poverty.

how long do you think they are going to do this

say after the robots take over

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 3:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 3:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 2:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 1:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Here's the thing, Tang. This is what the left seems to miss. The only reason people have jobs is because of the rich. The government produces nothing. We shouldn't punish people for taking risks and being successful. Guess what, if your newspaper doesn't turn a profit, you still get paid. Guess who doesn't get paid, the investors of your newspaper. They carry all of the risk. We shouldn't punish them when they provide a service that does happen to turn a profit.

Here's the other thing the left misses, Bill Gates and the Walton family has done far more for humanity than someone like Mother Teresa. Bill Gates and Sam Walton have provided an income for millions of people. They are already doing their part.

Socialism is by far the most immoral economic system.

The only reason people have jobs is because of the rich.

Someone's forgetting about federal workers.

We shouldn't punish people for taking risks and being successful

It's not a punishment.

Guess who doesn't get paid, the investors of your newspaper. They carry all of the risk.

They choose to make the investment. Poor people don't choose to be born into poverty.

Here's the other thing the left misses, Bill Gates and the Walton family has done far more for humanity than someone like Mother Teresa.

I am very happy for him. If every rich person was more like Bill Gates, the world would be a better place. Unfortunately, Bill Gates can't help every person. Bill Gate's job isn't to help the poor get childcare, it is to turn a profit. Private Prisons aren't looking to help people rehabilitate, they are looking to turn a profit. That's the problem with using other people to do the government's job.

Socialism is by far the most immoral economic system.

Many people believe that the Bible advocates for socialism.

It literally says that God's economic system involves taking from the rich and giving to the poor once every 50 years.

I'm not forgetting about federal workers. Where do you think the federal government gets their money from to pay the federal workers? I'll answer for you. The rich. The government doesn't produce anything. Everything they have, they have taken from those that do produce. The top 1% pays more in income than the bottom 90% combined. This why the whole "fair share" argument is complete bullshit. The rich already fund our whole country in both the private sector and government. And yet, all you hear is that we should take more and more.

Every rich person is like Bill Gates. They didn't get rich by putting their money under mattresses. They invest it, which creates jobs.

The top 1% pays more in income than the bottom 90%

Yes because they have more money than all of them combined. If the poor gave everything they own to the government, they would still provide less than the rich already do. That's why we tax the rich. I don't feel sorry for them.

Every rich person is like Bill Gates.

Not every rich person does a lot to help the community and the poor.



The rich should provide funds. They are rich.

Once again, you don't get it. EVERY rich person does do something to help the community. They provide JOBS. EVERY rich person provides jobs. Having a job is how you get out of poverty.

Yes, everyone knows that getting a $1 an hour (since you hate the minimum wage) job at McDonalds is what every poor bastard needs to get out of poverty.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/3/2019 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 3:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 3:01:00 PM (view original):
You are right. We haven't had true capitalism in a very long time. The problem is that you and AOC and Bernie and the rest of the democratic party and a good portion of the republican party (although they would never say it publicly) want to take us much further towards socialism when we should be going the other direction.

Because pure capitalism has never failed.

At least we know that social programs work, in other countries. We are lagging behind.

Other countries are not the same size as the US. Sweden has fewer people living in it than NYC.

I am going to start a new thread tomorrow and embarrass you and bad leftist.

I still don't see how that is relevant. More people also means more revenue.

Cool. Do that.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 3:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 3:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 3:01:00 PM (view original):
You are right. We haven't had true capitalism in a very long time. The problem is that you and AOC and Bernie and the rest of the democratic party and a good portion of the republican party (although they would never say it publicly) want to take us much further towards socialism when we should be going the other direction.

Because pure capitalism has never failed.

At least we know that social programs work, in other countries. We are lagging behind.

But that's the thing. We know they don't work. There is not enough longitudinal data in the nordic countries to say it works. There is more than enough data that shows it doesn't work over a long period of time. It's too expensive.

Try telling that to a Nordic person.

I have talked with some, and everyone that I have known say that the social programs are great.

Minimum wage jobs are starter jobs. They are not designed to be a career. People should be looking to better their standing. If you plan on working at McDonald's for 30 years, expect to be poor.

Yeah, i'm sure the Nordic people love what they have. Who doesn't want something that somebody else has to pay for. How much are they going to love it when the system comes crashing down because it's too expensive? This is inevitably going to happen. This is what happens in socialist/communist societies.

inevitable

stirkeout can see the future

pardon me for sh*tting in your bible

whats inevitable is nothing lasts forever

there are more very poor embryos and fetuses requesting abortion now then in the history of the united states.
they fear poverty and would rather not be born.
i believe most women have the right to bare arms.

why is it wrong to serve burgers your whole life

you get good at it i bet

these high school kids they forget the slice of cheese or they throw it on cold or they give you a breakfast sammy instead

yer like McDonalds is for losers

who are you to say whats a starter job

McDonalds revenue is double digit billions a year

its in the Dow Jones Industrial Average

30 big blue chips and MCD is one

they serve what america likes and yer all like Oh that's off limits to wage earners

whats wrong with what i said.....plenty of embryos are requesting abortions...they fear worsening poverty without programs...they dont want to be a burden on their poor ruptured families who cant afford them when they work 60 hours a week.

if i was an embryo i would not ask for an abortion

that'd be like a burger sayin Thow me in the mop bucket now, i do not want to chance the drive thru window

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 3:43:00 PM (view original):
Minimum wage jobs are starter jobs. They are not designed to be a career. People should be looking to better their standing. If you plan on working at McDonald's for 30 years, expect to be poor.

Yeah, i'm sure the Nordic people love what they have. Who doesn't want something that somebody else has to pay for. How much are they going to love it when the system comes crashing down because it's too expensive? This is inevitably going to happen. This is what happens in socialist/communist societies.

Your logic is dumbfounding to me. Career jobs are limited, and under the free market without minimum wage, the salaries would just go down.

OK, we will see.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 3:43:00 PM (view original):
Minimum wage jobs are starter jobs. They are not designed to be a career. People should be looking to better their standing. If you plan on working at McDonald's for 30 years, expect to be poor.

Yeah, i'm sure the Nordic people love what they have. Who doesn't want something that somebody else has to pay for. How much are they going to love it when the system comes crashing down because it's too expensive? This is inevitably going to happen. This is what happens in socialist/communist societies.

Your logic is dumbfounding to me. Career jobs are limited, and under the free market without minimum wage, the salaries would just go down.

OK, we will see.

Tang, I get the feeling that you think being prosperous is a club that is not open to new members.

Did know that 70% of the people in our country will spend time in the top 20% of earners before the age of 60?

Did you know that if you are in the bottom 20% of wage earners now, that there is an 88% chance that you will not be in the bottom 20% within 10 years?

Did you know that wealth is fluid and dynamic?

Did you know that Ford paid there employees more per hour prior to the minimum wage than they do today?

I'm going to guess that you didn't know any of these things because you have been fed a bunch of lies.

This is why I advocate for capitalism. B_L calls it extreme. I'm guessing he hasn't seen what the democrats are campaigning on. They want less capitalism and more socialism.