Diagnostics for Leadoff Hitters II Topic

MikeT23
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1. If an out is an out, making 50% or more of them via strikeout or contact out shouldn't matter.
2. Simply put, and you won't admit this, a team that strikeouts 50% of the time will not score very many runs.
3. If we agree that a pitcher can be dominant without whiffing a shitpile of players then it shouldn't matter how he records the outs(assuming all outs are created equal).
What points do you disagree with?
2/21/2008 12:17 PM
MikeT23
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As far as limited, I've said go thru it year by year. The history of baseball. If the history of baseball can't provide you with enough data, I'm not sure where you'll find it.
2/21/2008 12:18 PM
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If you refuse to answer my question, why would I answer yours.
Are you arguing that teams score more runs when they strikeout less?
2/21/2008 12:18 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
As far as limited, I've said go thru it year by year. The history of baseball. If the history of baseball can't provide you with enough data, I'm not sure where you'll find it.
So you're willing to look at the relationship between strikeouts and runs in ALL games?
2/21/2008 12:19 PM
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When the strikeouts comprise 50% or more of the recorded outs. Because, after all, an out is an out.
2/21/2008 12:21 PM
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on average, games in which a team struck out 14+ times last year scored 4.12 runs per game.
2/21/2008 12:21 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/21/2008
on average, games in which a team struck out 14+ times last year scored 4.12 runs per game.


That's not as little as I would have thought. But it's still a lot less than 4.8 per game.
2/21/2008 12:25 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008
When the strikeouts comprise 50% or more of the recorded outs. Because, after all, an out is an out.
Why limit it to only 1.5%. If an out is an out, the logic should follow to all games.

2/21/2008 12:25 PM
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However, I am still willing to accept wagers on my previous offer.
2/21/2008 12:25 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/21/2008
on average, games in which a team struck out 14+ times last year scored 4.12 runs per game.
And what was the OBP of those teams in those games?

2/21/2008 12:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

When the strikeouts comprise 50% or more of the recorded outs. Because, after all, an out is an out.
Why limit it to only 1.5%. If an out is an out, the logic should follow to all games.



2/21/2008 12:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

When the strikeouts comprise 50% or more of the recorded outs. Because, after all, an out is an out.
Why limit it to only 1.5%. If an out is an out, the logic should follow to all games.





Because, if an out is an out, it's pointless unless one type of out is represented 50% of the time. That's only possible with 14 or more outs in one direction. I'm willing to take the 14 or more contact out average runs. Will you take the 14 or more whiff average runs?
2/21/2008 12:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/21/2008
on average, games in which a team struck out 14+ times last year scored 4.12 runs per game.
If that is accurate, it furthers the thought that an out is an out. I was actually on mikes side to some extent until I saw this.
2/21/2008 12:29 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008Because, if an out is an out,it's pointless unless one type of out is represented 50% of the time. That's only possible with 14 or more outs in one direction. I'm willing to take the 14 or more contact out average runs. Will you take the 14 or more whiff average runs
Hilarious. Did you get that idea while studying statistics at Harvard?

2/21/2008 12:31 PM
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