The Mad Scientist Top 25 Ranking Debate Topic

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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 12/21/2009I'm willing to create 3 different kinds of rankings pending WIS sending me the data to PROVE my concept.  You're saying that there's a hierarchy of the importance of the different individual rating categories, but when I ask you to show and explain the hierarchy, you refuse and just go into diatribes about com theory textbook definitions.I'm at the plate with a 40 ounce bat my friend...you're in the dugout with a towel over your head and tears in your hands.

No. I'm not. YOu haven't read my posts obviously.

I am only arguing that the importance of the various ratings are subjective, which is inarguable on its face, given just how many different interpretations of what is important you see. YOUR OWN ARGUMENT supports mine.
12/21/2009 5:19 PM
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TO clarify, I don't NEED to supply a specific hierarchy, because I'm not arguing for a specific hierarchy! If you think that is the argument you entirely miss the point.
12/21/2009 5:21 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/21/2009

You're playing and beating a more talented team....THE RATINGS SAY SO....there's no guesswork here, this isn't real life....the ratings are DIRECTLY REPRESENTATIVE of how good teams are here. Wins and losses are largely based on SOS, thus its easier to cupcake a schedule and win a bunch of games as opposed to a 750 maybe taking on a tougher schedule.

Record and RPI have nothing to do with it, if you don't see how beating a 750 is more impressive than beating a 700, then I can't help you.




So I guess coaches don't matter?
Nope, if you play a **** coach with a great team, then thems the breaks...you still beat a great team regardless....give me a win over a 750 over a win over a 700 anyday....
There are two options here, since you're basically out on an island with this:

-Either you understand HD much better than all of these coaches who are more experienced and successful than you who are vehemently disagreeing with the types of assertions that you made above.

-You understand it better than everyone, despite a lack of experience, knowledge and success.

Call me crazy, but I'm going for Option A. Your insistence that beating a 750 team with a crappy resume is better than beating a 700 team with a great resume is just ludicrous.
12/21/2009 5:21 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 12/21/2009
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 12/21/2009
I'm willing to create 3 different kinds of rankings pending WIS sending me the data to PROVE my concept. You're saying that there's a hierarchy of the importance of the different individual rating categories, but when I ask you to show and explain the hierarchy, you refuse and just go into diatribes about com theory textbook definitions.

I'm at the plate with a 40 ounce bat my friend...you're in the dugout with a towel over your head and tears in your hands.

No. I'm not. YOu haven't read my posts obviously.

I am only arguing that the importance of the various ratings are subjective not really...there's a way to play this game, players out there have CONCRETE strategies as to what they want, who to get and what ratings he has and needs to be successful in a coaches particular system, given the offenses and defenses run, which is inarguable on its face Inarguable...lol, given just how many different interpretations of what is important you see. YOUR OWN ARGUMENT supports mine. Nope, you're just trying to spin it into something that makes you look good.
12/21/2009 5:22 PM
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12/21/2009 5:25 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 12/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/21/2009

You're playing and beating a more talented team....THE RATINGS SAY SO....there's no guesswork here, this isn't real life....the ratings are DIRECTLY REPRESENTATIVE of how good teams are here. Wins and losses are largely based on SOS, thus its easier to cupcake a schedule and win a bunch of games as opposed to a 750 maybe taking on a tougher schedule.

Record and RPI have nothing to do with it, if you don't see how beating a 750 is more impressive than beating a 700, then I can't help you.




So I guess coaches don't matter?
Nope, if you play a **** coach with a great team, then thems the breaks...you still beat a great team regardless....give me a win over a 750 over a win over a 700 anyday....
There are two options here, since you're basically out on an island with this:

Either you understand HD much better than all of these coaches who are more experienced and successful than you who are vehemently disagreeing with the types of assertions that you made above.

Nope, and just because you don't agree with me or my premises, doesn't mean I'm wrong...something you've failed to grasp.

You understand it better than everyone.

Call me crazy, but I'm going for Option A. Your insistence that beating a 750 team with a crappy resume is better than beating a 700 team with a great resume is just ludicrous.

I want to beat the team with the best talent/core ratings regardless of immeasurable coach quality. For ranking purposes, I want to beat the OBJECTIVELY, CONCRETE, numbers-wise team in the game, and if you're saying the numbers don't matter, then the game doesn't have a leg to stand on. You recruit guys based on ratings, why don't you view a team's talent the same way?

12/21/2009 5:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 12/21/2009

Yes. THey do have concrete strategies. And I daresay you will rarely find two who will agree with eachother on all rankings and strategies. .you STILL completely fail to see the point. . .
Please, there are still general rules of thumb for/in the game. You can deny it all you want, you still suggested that ratings have varying degrees of importance in the game, but you still won't give any inkling to what those are, now you've stooped to denying that you ever made the claim...this is classic...are the cameras rolling?
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12/21/2009 5:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 12/21/2009
And the player with the highest rating, overall, even minus Stamina, DUrability and WE is not always the best player for his position.
Irrelevant, he's still the most talented guy out there and the ratings bear that out...the rating distribution doesn't matter.
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