Conservatives have always had a problem with Homeland Security. It plays into the mindset that if we have a problem making government bigger can solve the problem.

I would love to see it dissolved and incorporate everything into a NSC type group controlled directly by the President.

First, I have not seen any problem with the way tea party demonstrations have gone, I will admit there could be some that behaved poorly. I have just not seen it. I was trying to count the number of people I know that went to a tea party, I am guessing it would be about 30. I have not heard one of them say that there was anything bad happening.

I can't think of anything I disagree with the tea party on, although I am sure they would disagree with me, so I will offer this. I believe a woman has the right to an abortion. I do not believe politicians or the courts have the right to even debate the subject, let alone have the power to make laws or judicate laws on a womans right to choose. I believe this to be another example of government overstepping its boundaries.

I condemn the protesting near a clinic as intimidation tactic, I condemn the threats against clinics, doctors, and the woman seeking an abortion. I condemn the terrorist like activities against clinics and doctors also.

I am offering this to tell you, I can disagree with my party and the way the activists handle their protests, but I do not exuse or rationalize bad behavior by protesters. I will condemn any poor behavior by my party if there is proof that it is happening. Until then I will leave the excuses and rationalizations to the media and most of the people that post in this forum.

Swamp keep up the good work. I glad a strong conservative voice is in these forums.

Quote: Originally posted by soxfanjohn on 5/01/2010Swamp keep up the good work. I glad a strong conservative voice is in these forums.

So are the liberals. swamp is the poorest spokesperson conservatives could have, short of a complete lunatic like Jerome Corsi.

Thanks Soxfan. I really appreciate that. I am glad to have you standing loud and proud for the cause. You have a distinct and honorable voice for America.

I also support a pro-choice position. One of my defining moments was standing in the rain in a yellow vest escorting women through an operation rescue blockade in the 80s. standing toe to toe with them and taking all their abuse. Gives me the unique distinction of being called a Nazi by the extreme and the extreme right.

Try not to be too angry with Anton. He really does not understand how far out of touch he is and how isolated from the reality of what America is, and the values that Americans choose to support.

Swamp I guess my efforts to simplify these arguments for you have failed.

If you really want to reduce spending, our military operations would be a logical place to start. We continue to spend billions over there. Look into the frauds and violations that KBR and Blackwater have committed numerous times. Even in the situations where they are fined, we lose money due to the investigations. Why do we continue to contract companies like this? They do it over and over again and we keep shoveling money their way. This is why you don't have guys like Ron Paul 100% with the Tea Parties. Libertarians know that when you talk about cutting spending, the first place to do it is in Iraq and Afghanistan and our other military operations abroad.

"Corporate Welfare isnt really welefare. It is a national policy to support certain areas of business and encourage them."

What you're saying is that it is okay to spread around the wealth when it comes to corporations but not with individuals. How can you call Obama a Socialist and his healthcare bill Socialism and still support corporate subsidies? How can you claim to be a champion of the free market when the government is so obviously interfering by giving these handouts? Giving subsidies is fine but heaven forbid if the government tries to enforce regulations on, say, coal mine or oil rig safety. Is that what free market means?

"I just want spend less to be on the table. It isnt now!"

Except that you want to continue to spend billions on overseas military operations. Except that you want to continue to reward he contractors that continually defraud us and endanger our troops (see Balad burn pit, or KBR serving rotten food, or troops electrocuted by faulty wiring, or troops using contaminated water) by paying them billions more to do it to us again. Except that you are fine with giving handouts to corporations. You're all for spending cuts except for those.

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Quote: Originally posted by soxfanjohn on 5/01/2010Swamp keep up the good work. I glad a strong conservative voice is in these forums.

So are the liberals. swamp is the poorest spokesperson conservatives could have, short of a complete lunatic like Jerome Corsi.

soxfan, I cannot believe you would say this!!!
Swamp is the quintessential modern partisan person. Anything proposed by the is wrong, naive, bordering on evil and all things conservative are correct and good any questionable things are explained away with rationalizing, parroting rhetoric or an attack intended to deflect from the truth.
I thought you were open minded and a truth seeker but if this is your stand then I have misjudged you badly.

That isnt true about me at all. The fact is that people like Anton are the only complete partisans in the room. They serve the as a religion.

Soxfan and I share many views. The only problem you have with me is I wont keep my Conservatives views to myself.

You have a right to your views and I support your right to express them to me that is the right and the obligation of all Americans.(in fact although I may not like all the views and behavior of the tea party they should be allowed their voice).
I see your stance as not conservative but anti democrat.

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 5/02/2010The fact is that people like Anton

Name three.

The only people swamp will ever name are his children and I think if they liked you they would be disowned (just kidding swamp)

I have known people like Anton my entire life. They view life through a very narrow lens. There is their leaning ideas, and anyone who doesnt believe in them is a hick. They only intellectuals they associate with are other ists. They sometimes talk to Cons, but they are not up to the challenge so they out talk them. In their little bubble they start to view their beliefs as the only valid opinion.

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 5/02/2010I have known people like swamp my entire life. They view life through a very narrow lens. There is their right leaning ideas, and anyone who doesnt believe in them is a cocktail party elitist. They only people they associate with are other fake conservatives. They sometimes talk to Libs, but they are not up to the challenge so they replace quality with quantity. In their little bubble they start to view their beliefs as the only valid opinion.

I'll leave it to everyone else to decide which description is more accurate.

The difference is that it is possible for people to the to ignore the right. The wing mass media forces everyone to see the every day.

It is impossible for people to grow up without seeing the night and day.

It is why there is a simple disconnect between something like how Palin is loved in person, but people on the cannot understand her at all. They have never seen anything like her.

And I will leave it up to the population of the board to answer who is more tied down to a philosophy...

Swamp to the right

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Anton to the

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 5/02/2010The difference is that it is possible for people to the to ignore the right. The wing mass media forces everyone to see the every day. It is impossible for people to grow up without seeing the night and day. It is why there is a simple disconnect between something like how Palin is loved in person, but people on the cannot understand her at all. They have never seen anything like her.

swamp, I am not attacking but this confuses me how can you point to a ist media when the right boasts Rush, Hannity and a score of others. Once again I am not attacking just really confused the media seems saturated with the right.