Quote: Originally Posted By mrdanielx on 4/09/2010

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 4/09/2010
We've already covered that. Rogue commissioners will be outed very quickly. I'd like to see the list of WS winners who were booted because they didn't share the same political ideas of the commish.

Wouldn't it be easier to just not give commissioners the ability to be rogue? lol. Their is no list of WS winners booted because commissioners have not had the power, and they shouldn't get it to find out who would if they could


Incorrect. They have. There just haven't been very many removals because nobody wants to be the commish who removes WS winners due to political affiliation.

Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 4/09/2010
MDX, seriously, think about what you're saying.

If you're in a world and are arbitrarily booted by a rogue commish who decides that he wants you gone for no viable reason, why would you want to stay? If the world is that f'd up where a commish is going to do something like that, and the other owners tolerate it, then really . . . why would you want the right to stay? Shouldn't you ask yourself "Are these the kind of people I want to spend my internet time with?".

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. For me, the most important thing in my enjoyment of HBD is the quality of the worlds I play in, and that is defined by both the diligence and stewardship of that world by the commissioner, and by the quality, competitiveness and sportsmanship of my fellow owners. I'd rather struggle in a quality world than thrive in a 'tarded up world.

I've two worlds in my HBD career. In both cases, I behind teams with winning records every season I was in those worlds because I had issues with the way the world was being run by both the commish and the other owners. I just felt like those were not the worlds for me.

Anybody who chooses personal success over world quality gets what they deserve if they suffer at the hands of a rogue commissioner.



same here. i've good teams and crappy ones. i want to see how i do in a 'good' league like coop, even if i didn't build the team from season one.

Quote: Originally posted by tzentmeyer on 4/09/2010Lots of good comments so far.
A) Veteran commish wants one or multiple owners out of the world. Each owner has been in it for 3+ seasons. Owners have not come anywhere near the tanking guideline of .250 winning percentage. Closer to .450. The owners haven't caused major problems via posts, chats, etc. Owner wants them out because he feels they just aren't good enough for the world. How can we justify not letting 3 owners who have spent time and money on the teams for 3+ seasons back for another season?
The three owners should be allowed to remain as long as they are not tanking. If a private league does not want any owners “who are not good enough for the world,” those owners should never have been welcomed in the first place. As a newcomer to HBD but a long-addicted SimLeague Live player, I appreciated being allowed in to the Branch Rickey league despite having just one completed season on my resume. I scrambled in my second season to make sure I met the league’s 62-win threshold while trying to learn HBD. If I had fallen short of this clearly explained rule, I’d have had no problem with not being allowed back. Had the commish told me up front that I’d better be playoff-worthy within a season or two, I’d have passed and looked elsewhere. I’d also have argued against the best available team being assigned to a veteran owner while I was awaiting approval as a member. A league that does not want to suffer through a few seasons of someone learning a complicated game is a short-sighted league.

B) Private world goes public to fill a few spots. Owner joins when it's public. End of season, reverts to private. Owner doesn't want the owner back the next season. No good reason provided.
There should have to be a good reason provided, preferably a clearly defined rule that was not met.

C) Middle of season, private world. User has team with fatigued relief pitchers and pretty mediocre offense/defense. Commish wants them out because they aren't investing the same time commitment as he/she. Not violating any stated rules anywhere, just want them out.
See B. And my take is that a good commish would first warn the owner that fatigued rosters need to be fixed.

D) Spat in a private world. 6+ owners threaten to quit if commish isn't removed. 6+ owners threaten to quit if commish is removed. Source of debate is personal/attitude, not team play.
Perhaps they all just deserve each other?

E) Owner joins private world. Private world has special rules. Owner doesn't meet special rules. We remove. Owner comes back asking what rules were violated. While the world may have special rules, it's not part of Terms of Service.
Make “must adhere to private-league rules” part of the TOS.

Quote: Originally posted by tzentmeyer on 4/09/2010
Wouldn't you be thoroughly upset if you honestly felt you did nothing wrong and didn't break any stated rules?

Quote: Originally posted by alogman1 on 4/09/2010Premium Service is the way to go - $10 per team per season for a custom league where you can boot anyone you want for any reason. WIfS is getting bogged down with having to mediate all of the drama involved in some of these ridiculous disputes, and can no longer administer these requests for their standard product. But if you pay a premium, they'll do it. If you don't like the fee, get a commish who can screen applicants better and don't let these people you don't like for whatever reason in your world in the first place.