My niece is a teacher for Teach for America. She teaches in poorer neighborhoods and just did a three year stint in New Orleans. She is a huge liberal like bad_luck. Even she concedes that it is the culture and the parents that force the kids to fall behind. She had every tool available to teach from books, to supplies to electronic devices. In fact she gets more support from the Government than my kids in suburban MA, where I throw between $75-100 per month for school supplies and such because the teachers always run short. She again said the kids who had parental support did the best. Period.

Again I only speak for MA but here is not at all how bad_luck portrays it. Then again he is an idiot.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/10/2018 9:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/10/2018 8:57:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 1/9/2018 10:44:00 PM (view original):
Where I live a kid has to go to the school in their district.

So, why do you say school choice doesn't work?

Because where I live it doesn't happen?

I also helped a local region with a.debate tournament so I have a ton of stuff around education readily available.

You're Not making any sense. It sounds like you're saying that since it's not done in Kansas, then it doesn't work.

However, the size of the effect depended on the type of school attended, and there were no significant
differences in graduation rates at better ranked schools. Additionally, lottery winners showed no
improvement on five of the six measured test outcomes and performed slightly worse on reading scores
by 1.3 percentile points. Looking at relative performance, students who won lotteries had worse class
ranks by 2 percentile points (or 6.9 percentile points for better ranked schools), likely reflecting a more
competitive peer group. Looking at specific race and gender groups, there is no evidence that any
subgroup derived any substantial academic benefit from winning a lottery to a choice school. Overall,
the results of this study align with other recent work on the absence of a positive impact of public school
choice and high-quality peers. The results reinforce a large body of prior work showing that school
inputs have little impact on student outcomes. The evidence suggests that a student’s relative position
among his or her peers may be an important factor in determining academic success. - Julie Cullen, 2016

Why is Julie Cullen more qualified to give an opinion than me or you? Are you a Michael Moore fan, tang?

Posted by tangplay on 1/10/2018 11:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/10/2018 9:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/10/2018 8:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/10/2018 7:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/9/2018 10:44:00 PM (view original):
Where I live a kid has to go to the school in their district.

So, why do you say school choice doesn't work?

Because where I live it doesn't happen?

I also helped a local region with a.debate tournament so I have a ton of stuff around education readily available.

You're Not making any sense. It sounds like you're saying that since it's not done in Kansas, then it doesn't work.

However, the size of the effect depended on the type of school attended, and there were no significant
differences in graduation rates at better ranked schools. Additionally, lottery winners showed no
improvement on five of the six measured test outcomes and performed slightly worse on reading scores
by 1.3 percentile points. Looking at relative performance, students who won lotteries had worse class
ranks by 2 percentile points (or 6.9 percentile points for better ranked schools), likely reflecting a more
competitive peer group. Looking at specific race and gender groups, there is no evidence that any
subgroup derived any substantial academic benefit from winning a lottery to a choice school. Overall,
the results of this study align with other recent work on the absence of a positive impact of public school
choice and high-quality peers. The results reinforce a large body of prior work showing that school
inputs have little impact on student outcomes. The evidence suggests that a student’s relative position
among his or her peers may be an important factor in determining academic success. - Julie Cullen, 2016

So, you're saying the amount of financial support at a school has no impact on student success? Is your tune changing or did you not think about what you were posting before you posted it?

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/10/2018 10:07:00 AM (view original):
My niece is a teacher for Teach for America. She teaches in poorer neighborhoods and just did a three year stint in New Orleans. She is a huge liberal like bad_luck. Even she concedes that it is the culture and the parents that force the kids to fall behind. She had every tool available to teach from books, to supplies to electronic devices. In fact she gets more support from the Government than my kids in suburban MA, where I throw between $75-100 per month for school supplies and such because the teachers always run short. She again said the kids who had parental support did the best. Period.

Again I only speak for MA but here is not at all how bad_luck portrays it. Then again he is an idiot.

my niece used to teach for Teach for America in Chicago!

cccp, why do you insist on calling people idiots and dumb and stupid. (I'm not saying they aren't) Can't we stop with calling names?

Not all people just tang and bad_luck

tang believes that people who cannot afford kids should still have them and then complains that they cannot care for them. He also claims that all Christians are pacifists. Tough not fire back at him.

bad_luck stated that Ben Shapiro is a white supremacist and then tripled down on it. He deserves what he gets.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/10/2018 11:11:00 AM (view original):
Why is Julie Cullen more qualified to give an opinion than me or you? Are you a Michael Moore fan, tang?

She is an actual expert.

I have very little knowledge of who that guy is.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/10/2018 11:11:00 AM (view original):
Why is Julie Cullen more qualified to give an opinion than me or you? Are you a Michael Moore fan, tang?

She is an actual expert.

I have very little knowledge of who that guy is.

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Posted by tangplay on 1/10/2018 11:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/10/2018 9:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/10/2018 8:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/10/2018 7:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/9/2018 10:44:00 PM (view original):
Where I live a kid has to go to the school in their district.

So, why do you say school choice doesn't work?

Because where I live it doesn't happen?

I also helped a local region with a.debate tournament so I have a ton of stuff around education readily available.

You're Not making any sense. It sounds like you're saying that since it's not done in Kansas, then it doesn't work.

However, the size of the effect depended on the type of school attended, and there were no significant
differences in graduation rates at better ranked schools. Additionally, lottery winners showed no
improvement on five of the six measured test outcomes and performed slightly worse on reading scores
by 1.3 percentile points. Looking at relative performance, students who won lotteries had worse class
ranks by 2 percentile points (or 6.9 percentile points for better ranked schools), likely reflecting a more
competitive peer group. Looking at specific race and gender groups, there is no evidence that any
subgroup derived any substantial academic benefit from winning a lottery to a choice school. Overall,
the results of this study align with other recent work on the absence of a positive impact of public school
choice and high-quality peers. The results reinforce a large body of prior work showing that school
inputs have little impact on student outcomes. The evidence suggests that a student’s relative position
among his or her peers may be an important factor in determining academic success. - Julie Cullen, 2016

So, you're saying the amount of financial support at a school has no impact on student success? Is your tune changing or did you not think about what you were posting before you posted it?

The key phrasing is 'relative position among his peers'. My point still stands.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/10/2018 12:47:00 PM (view original):
Not all people just tang and bad_luck

tang believes that people who cannot afford kids should still have them and then complains that they cannot care for them. He also claims that all Christians are pacifists. Tough not fire back at him.

bad_luck stated that Ben Shapiro is a white supremacist and then tripled down on it. He deserves what he gets.

All PRACTICING Christians are pacifist.

So in the 2 million soldiers we have none are practicing Christians? LOL

Posted by tangplay on 1/10/2018 1:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/10/2018 12:47:00 PM (view original):
Not all people just tang and bad_luck

tang believes that people who cannot afford kids should still have them and then complains that they cannot care for them. He also claims that all Christians are pacifists. Tough not fire back at him.

bad_luck stated that Ben Shapiro is a white supremacist and then tripled down on it. He deserves what he gets.

All PRACTICING Christians are pacifist.

LOL, I guess you didn't take any world history classes....

Templars were pacifists. They killed by accident. Dummy.

Posted by tangplay on 1/10/2018 1:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/10/2018 12:47:00 PM (view original):
Not all people just tang and bad_luck

tang believes that people who cannot afford kids should still have them and then complains that they cannot care for them. He also claims that all Christians are pacifists. Tough not fire back at him.

bad_luck stated that Ben Shapiro is a white supremacist and then tripled down on it. He deserves what he gets.

All PRACTICING Christians are pacifist.

that is a fairly ridiculous statement

And you ask why I call him names? Again I only do this to him and to BL.