Posted by dino27 on 3/3/2019 10:19:00 PM (view original):
i dont like omar and tlaib either...despise omar dont know as much about tlaib....probably despise her too....there are way more bad people on the republican side..way way more.
how come you dont find republicans you should label unamerican.

I'll do it for you. The Republican party is a crappy party who pretend to be for freedom and liberty, but really are only in office for personal gain. There are good ones, but like the Dems, the majority are crappy. They nominated a presidential candidate that doesn't have an ounce of character and the majority defend him at every turn. He has done some good, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he's a piece of crap person.

it is the republican congresses that have prevented progress.
your comment about the republicans is spot on....trump has done very little good and the economy will go into shambles just like the bush 2 economy.
which party do you think is worse.

hey cccp..did you read what strikeout said about the republican party.
any response.
your witness.

this country has safety nets because of the dems.
and voting rights.
the dems need to have congress in order to bring progress.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 6:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 6:31:00 PM (view original):
We've been trying your way for years strikeout. Income inequality is getting worse. We need to help those in need.

You have this backwards. We actually have not tried my way in a really long time. Even B_L alluded to that. We have actually tried your way for a really long time. Instead of the left saying, "hey maybe my work doesn't work, lets see if the free market can do a good job". They say "let's take our program that doesn't work and give it steroids."

I disagree. Unless we are already socialist?

Posted by dino27 on 3/3/2019 10:44:00 PM (view original):
it is the republican congresses that have prevented progress.
your comment about the republicans is spot on....trump has done very little good and the economy will go into shambles just like the bush 2 economy.
which party do you think is worse.

Morally and ethically they are equally as bad. Ideologically, the Dems are far worse.

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 6:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 6:31:00 PM (view original):
We've been trying your way for years strikeout. Income inequality is getting worse. We need to help those in need.

You have this backwards. We actually have not tried my way in a really long time. Even B_L alluded to that. We have actually tried your way for a really long time. Instead of the left saying, "hey maybe my work doesn't work, lets see if the free market can do a good job". They say "let's take our program that doesn't work and give it steroids."

I disagree. Unless we are already socialist?

We are a combination of three very bad things. We are socialist, we have crony capitalism, and we corporatism. We have very little true capitalism left. It easiest to start a business in "communist" China than it is in America. Our government has crushed small business into pieces.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 6:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 6:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 5:34:00 PM (view original):
Tang, I get the feeling that you think being prosperous is a club that is not open to new members.

Did know that 70% of the people in our country will spend time in the top 20% of earners before the age of 60?

Did you know that if you are in the bottom 20% of wage earners now, that there is an 88% chance that you will not be in the bottom 20% within 10 years?

Did you know that wealth is fluid and dynamic?

Did you know that Ford paid there employees more per hour prior to the minimum wage than they do today?

I'm going to guess that you didn't know any of these things because you have been fed a bunch of lies.

This is why I advocate for capitalism. B_L calls it extreme. I'm guessing he hasn't seen what the democrats are campaigning on. They want less capitalism and more socialism.

Did know that 70% of the people in our country will spend time in the top 20% of earners before the age of 60?

That makes sense considering the poverty rate is 12%. The top 20% make ~ 100k, not bad. The study that you cited, at least from the 2 min skim that I looked at, doesn't really talk about being in poverty to being out of poverty. It's way easier to go from well off to really well off than it is to go from not well off to well off.

If you are talking about the studies that say that you can go in and out of poverty, that makes sense. It still proves my point that it is hard to permanently break out of poverty.


Here's some info that you may or may not know.

• Adult achievement is related to childhood poverty and the length of time they live in poverty. Children who
  are poor are less likely to achieve important adult milestones, such as graduating from high school and
  enrolling in and completing college, than children who are never poor. For example, although more than
  9 in 10 never-poor children (92.7 percent) complete high school, only 3 in 4 ever-poor children (77.9
  percent) do so (table 1).
• Persistently poor children are also less likely (by 37 percent) to be consistently employed as young
  adults than their ever-poor, nonpersistently poor counterparts. This finding is consistent with the lower
  educational achievement of the persistently poor and the fact that unemployment rates have
  historically been higher among lower-educated groups (Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis 2014)

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/65766/2000369-Child-Poverty-and-Adult-Success.pdf

If you are in the bottom 20% now, you have an 88% chance of not being in the bottom 10% in ten years. The facts don't lie. Wealth is fluid. People talk about the top earners and bottom earners as if they were set groups when the evidence says otherwise. I have been in the top 2%. I am not currently in the top 2%. The groups are constantly changing.

Sure, for some. Again, it's harder to go from not well off to well off than it is to go from well off to really well off.

Posted by dino27 on 3/3/2019 10:45:00 PM (view original):
hey cccp..did you read what strikeout said about the republican party.
any response.
your witness.

CCCP knows how I feel about the Republicans and Trump. There's no need for you to try to pick a fight. That's uncalled for.

@Tang. I don't disagree with that, but I would wager that is because of democratic policies. As I said, it's very hard to start a business in America. It is nearly impossible for someone who was born poor. The democrats have regulated and taxed the life out of small business. They have also killed all incentive to hire. They are against prosperity, because they know that if people prosper they will not have a need for their "safety nets" which as you can see from the current field of presidential candidates is pretty much their whole platform. Even global warming is now taking a back seat.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 7:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 6:32:00 PM (view original):
And you are STILL not going to get me to feel sorry for rich people. Sorry. I guarantee you that if you spent as much time working with people in poverty as my family has, you would have a different outlook.

I've told you many times before that I don't ever want you lose your passion for helping the poor. You do good work. The problem is that almost all of your solutions involve the government solving their problems. The government can't solve their problems. They can give them a few handouts paid for by those who have made it financially, but this has been proven that it doesn't solve their problems long-term. Their problems arise because of choices made. Like you said, people from poor families are much more likely to drop out of HS. They are also much more likely to not have a father in the picture. They are also a lot more likely to get pregnant as teenagers or before marriage. These are not problems our "all-powerful" government can solve. A mindset change must occur. That is when you are going to see people move up the economic ladder. Our government created most of these problems in the first place. They sure as hell can't fix them.

They can give them a few handouts paid for by those who have made it financially, but this has been proven that it doesn't solve their problems long-term

I agree that simple welfare programs don't solve for poverty. I don't advocate for increasing welfare or the minimum wage. I do advocate for better education and stuff like childcare and healthcare which certainly helps. And more grassroots programs to help on individual level.

Like you said, people from poor families are much more likely to drop out of HS. They are also much more likely to not have a father in the picture. They are also a lot more likely to get pregnant as teenagers or before marriage.

Yep. But there isn't some 'poverty gene'. The reason this happens is because poverty is tough to get out of when you are born into it. Situational poverty isn't too bad.

A mindset change must occur.

That's where the grassroots stuff comes in. That working in tandem with the better social programs will make a difference.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/3/2019 9:47:00 PM (view original):
KO is slowly getting to the point where I arrived and switch from Independent to full on GOP. The Democrat party has gone insane, anti Semitic and utterly irresponsible.

If I had a penny for every time someone on these threads said "The Left" or the "Dems" and proceeded to make a blanket statement not applicable to most people......


Let's just say I wouldn't be as concerned about poverty.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/3/2019 9:47:00 PM (view original):
KO is slowly getting to the point where I arrived and switch from Independent to full on GOP. The Democrat party has gone insane, anti Semitic and utterly irresponsible.

If I had a penny for every time someone on these threads said "The Left" or the "Dems" and proceeded to make a blanket statement not applicable to most people......


Let's just say I wouldn't be as concerned about poverty.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 10:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 3/3/2019 10:06:00 PM (view original):
germany says that the united states now is not ze country we once knew.
smarter people dont need to label everything capitalist or communist or socialist..we go for solutions without labels.
thats why most of whats good about the united states since 1929 is from the democrats.
and we are now the party of lincoln.

Yep, your party has been great. Detroit, Baltimore, and Chicago have boomed. California doesn't have the highest homeless rate in the country, the highest poverty rate in the country, and the largest wealth gap in the country. The dems don't constantly attempt to strip freedoms and liberties from the American people. Yep, you guys have "fixed" everything that you have touched.

You REALLY want me to talk about how much of a shitshow the Brownback age was in Kansas? You would love the guy. He's living proof that your programs don't work. You can say the same thing about a bunch of conservatively run states.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 11:03:00 PM (view original):
@Tang. I don't disagree with that, but I would wager that is because of democratic policies. As I said, it's very hard to start a business in America. It is nearly impossible for someone who was born poor. The democrats have regulated and taxed the life out of small business. They have also killed all incentive to hire. They are against prosperity, because they know that if people prosper they will not have a need for their "safety nets" which as you can see from the current field of presidential candidates is pretty much their whole platform. Even global warming is now taking a back seat.

I don't believe in your conspiracy theory crap. I am all for small business. I don't see how increasing funding for education and childcare is against prosperity.

Again, keep in mind that I am against raising welfare money and the minimum wage. I completely agree that raising those costs is dumb and hurts small business.