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Posted by moy23 on 7/17/2011 10:24:00 AM (view original):
Kane broke his wrist.  Its the start of the Hawks excuses for why they are not a playoff team next season.

Nah he'll be 100% come training camp.

As for the injury clause, What the Penguins did was have 2 players out simultaneously, not 4. If they had lost Crosby, Malkin, Staal AND Fleury at the same time, I think the season would have turned out differently for them. I'm simply saying that the Hawks are a top 7 team in the West, unless afcorse they lose their entire top line and top defense pair to injury at the same time.

Ok forget the clause about 3 players...I'll even go as far as to say that if they lose 5 or more of Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Keith and Seabrook for more than 10 games at the same time...How's that? Look no matter what you say, remove ANY team's top 5 players at the same time for an extended period and they sink like the Titanic. It's not even the same team then. Where would you honestly see the Flyers finish this season if you took out Giroux, Briere, Pronger, Timonen and Bryzgalov? Where would the Red Wings be if Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Lidstrom and Howard all miss time at the same time? How about the mighty Canucks minus the Sedins, Kesler, Hamhuis and Luongo simultaneously?

I just want to bet on this team, give or take a few injuries, not 23 AHL replacement players. Get my point?

I get your point (and understand teams are not as good with injuries as they are when healthy).... But injuries are part of the game and a risk you take on. Flyers don't get a do-over cause pronger didn't show up for the playoffs ;)

With a clause like that 'hawks injury clause' I would have to add a provision whereas if any other western team loses 3 key players for 10 games then the bet is off since it helps the hawks out.... But what fun is that?

And some teams can handle losing 5 players better than others.... I like how you shrug off and make losing Sid and Malkin sound like a team just lost a couple decent players.... The pens lost almost ALL of their star power for half a season and still finished in the top 4 seeds if I recall. The Hawks and Flyers rosters combined don't have even 1 comparable player of that caliber to lose. Just sayin'

Posted by moy23 on 7/18/2011 9:34:00 AM (view original):
I get your point (and understand teams are not as good with injuries as they are when healthy).... But injuries are part of the game and a risk you take on. Flyers don't get a do-over cause pronger didn't show up for the playoffs ;)

With a clause like that 'hawks injury clause' I would have to add a provision whereas if any other western team loses 3 key players for 10 games then the bet is off since it helps the hawks out.... But what fun is that?

And some teams can handle losing 5 players better than others.... I like how you shrug off and make losing Sid and Malkin sound like a team just lost a couple decent players.... The pens lost almost ALL of their star power for half a season and still finished in the top 4 seeds if I recall. The Hawks and Flyers rosters combined don't have even 1 comparable player of that caliber to lose. Just sayin'

I didn't mean to shrug off anything...I'm just saying that there are players essential to every team's success...you wouldn't bet on a team full of AHL players would you? I'm usually not a betting man moy for this very reason: I don't like games of "luck". I prefer games of strategy, and your reluctance to accept the clause suggests that you don't truly believe the Hawks are a bottom 7 team in the West, or you would have absolutely no problem with what I'm suggesting because if they really were that bad, they would be a bottom 7 team regardless.

Ha ha. They are an injury prone team and I don't want to give you a cop out. Good teams overcome injuries - with talent and strategy.


I think a full team of ahl players is a bit dramatic. Don't you? Besides didn't the hawks just sign a whole lot of 'quality' veterens to fill out the lines and turn the team around?

You don't have to bet if you don't want to --- but it would be nice when I win to have you paying for my progressive SLH seasons in the only league you should have joined ;)

nice try moy, but I'm not that easily goaded into things. like I said I was never the betting type anyway. good luck though, were still playing for bragging rights.

If it were me, I wouldn't ask for any injury clause.  Hell, I bet moy a C-note and didn't ask for one.

Like I said, I'm just not a betting man...but it is telling how moy refuses to accept it. To me that simply implies that if the Hawks stay relatively healthy, he believes they're easily a top 7 team. ;-)

Crawford gets the Sophomore jinx then andru will have a lot more to worry about than injuries??

Posted by andru2797 on 7/18/2011 10:14:00 PM (view original):
Like I said, I'm just not a betting man...but it is telling how moy refuses to accept it. To me that simply implies that if the Hawks stay relatively healthy, he believes they're easily a top 7 team. ;-)

My my.... Isn't it just as telling that you are refusing to accept it without an injury clause..... It simply implies you think when healthy the hawks are barely a top 7 team.


HAWKS FINISH THE SEASON AS AN 8 SEED OR LOWER..... NO EXCUSES. Typical hawks fan trying to add in an 'excuse' clause.

Posted by moy23 on 7/19/2011 12:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 7/18/2011 10:14:00 PM (view original):
Like I said, I'm just not a betting man...but it is telling how moy refuses to accept it. To me that simply implies that if the Hawks stay relatively healthy, he believes they're easily a top 7 team. ;-)

My my.... Isn't it just as telling that you are refusing to accept it without an injury clause..... It simply implies you think when healthy the hawks are barely a top 7 team.


HAWKS FINISH THE SEASON AS AN 8 SEED OR LOWER..... NO EXCUSES. Typical hawks fan trying to add in an 'excuse' clause.

No, it implies that I believe that the Hawks with Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Keith and Seabrook are a top 7 Western team. I don't believe I've ever said otherwise. 1, 2, even 3 injuries and they'll be more than fine.

Keep trying moy...it's wasted energy. I challenge you to find 1 person that's not just a fan that will predict the Hawks finish 8th or lower.

They may not be a more talented team than last season, but talent wasn't their issue. They're a much tougher team to play against and they won't be losing all those 1 goal games and blowing leads like they did last season. They've added more character and more experience, and that alone will make them better...add to that the extra rest for all their core players and we're looking at a team that will be hungry and ready to go come October.

Fine - throw in you little 'excuse' clause...


what was it - 3 players - from Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Keith and Seabrook - out simultaneously for 10 games and all bets are off?

I'll take your bet.


BTW - There wasn't 1 person that's not just a fan that predicted the hawks would back into the playoffs as an 8 seed last year - so whats your point?

I see andru has bought into the 2011 Hawks PR gambit. "We might not be as talented as last season but the team has more experience and best of all we have character". Anytime you start out a sentence "They may not be a more talented team than last season...." you are in trouble. fwiw.

I never thought you would bite on that crap. LOL.

Like I said, I'll even give you 5 injuries or more, forget 3. To make it more interesting, why don't we even add that if the Flyers suffer more than 2 injuries at once, they'll miss the playoffs. Yes, I believe the Hawks are deeper this year. The Flyers are doing what the Hawks did last year to some degree, in hoping that certain young guys are ready for bigger roles on the team. Everything could fall apart if Claude Giroux, JVR, Voracek and Schenn aren't ready to fill the roles of Carter, Leino and Richards. To be fair, I think they'll be fine, but if they lose let's say Briere and Giroux for extended periods, they're in trouble.

Ask the Washington Capitals how far talent alone takes you. How about the Canucks? Or would you prefer the perennially super-talented San Jose Sharks? The Flyers and their stacked lineup last year didn't fare too well either. Unless you get very lucky and have a ridiculous amount of depth, character AND talent, like the Hawks did in 09-10, an over-abundance of character and heart with a little talent will always win out over a plethora of talent with little to no character.

I didn't bite on anything. I said they would be tougher to play against and grittier before the Hawks said a word about their signings. That was and is my belief.