Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Who cares, there is no budget in real life, get over it. In real life if they want to get a 5 mil player they go out and get him, including cash in a deal only makes the game more realistic.

There is a budget in HBD. What part of that do you not understand?

Thats the point tec, this game is supposed to simulate MLB and the budget is far and away the least realistic part of the game, therefore anything that can be done to mitigate the least realistic part of the game is good because it makes the game more realistic.

So are you proposing there should be no budget in HBD

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 6/15/2009

The bottom line with either example . . . you have overspent your budget.

You are now short on cash to make other moves you want or need to make due to conscious choices you have made. You are looking for somebody to bail you out of your irresponsibility in spending your budget appropriately by sending you cash.

But what doeas the budget matter? There is no budget in MLB, so if someone has money to spare and a team needs money, then moving it around makes the game more realistic, because the team that wants to spend gets to spend.



This is the dumbest argument possible. Because, without a budget, everyone can just buy players at whatever price. It won't matter if you give a guy 5 years at 275m each because there's no budget. And who cares if he's 38 when you do it? You can just send him to LoA for the last 3 years and pay another guy 275m for the next 5 years.

I'm glad you're on the other side of the fence in this discussion.

Did I say I advocated not having a budget? No.

Quote: Originally Posted By gator993 on 6/15/2009
This game is not MLB and does have some rules in place where teams do not get advantages based on market size. This argument is rediculous.

Bottom line is trading cash is allowed in HBD. If you don't like it then play in worlds that discourage it or have rules against it. Other wise play in the worlds that have no problem with it. As long as you are having fun in your world. But its a good example how stats/records between worlds are not comparable.

This is like mentioning legalizing weed or talking about pitbulls on talk radio. HBD hot button guarenteed for a 15 page thread.



Ding Ding Ding, as always it takes someone else to clearly say what I was trying to say.

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 6/15/2009

The bottom line with either example . . . you have overspent your budget.

You are now short on cash to make other moves you want or need to make due to conscious choices you have made. You are looking for somebody to bail you out of your irresponsibility in spending your budget appropriately by sending you cash.

But what doeas the budget matter? There is no budget in MLB, so if someone has money to spare and a team needs money, then moving it around makes the game more realistic, because the team that wants to spend gets to spend.



This is the dumbest argument possible. Because, without a budget, everyone can just buy players at whatever price. It won't matter if you give a guy 5 years at 275m each because there's no budget. And who cares if he's 38 when you do it? You can just send him to LoA for the last 3 years and pay another guy 275m for the next 5 years.

I'm glad you're on the other side of the fence in this discussion.

Did I say I advocated not having a budget? No.

If budget doesn't matter, what are you saying? You said "MLB doesn't have a budget, why should HBD?"

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 6/15/2009

The bottom line with either example . . . you have overspent your budget.

You are now short on cash to make other moves you want or need to make due to conscious choices you have made. You are looking for somebody to bail you out of your irresponsibility in spending your budget appropriately by sending you cash.

But what doeas the budget matter? There is no budget in MLB, so if someone has money to spare and a team needs money, then moving it around makes the game more realistic, because the team that wants to spend gets to spend.



This is the dumbest argument possible. Because, without a budget, everyone can just buy players at whatever price. It won't matter if you give a guy 5 years at 275m each because there's no budget. And who cares if he's 38 when you do it? You can just send him to LoA for the last 3 years and pay another guy 275m for the next 5 years.

I'm glad you're on the other side of the fence in this discussion.

Did I say I advocated not having a budget? No.

If budget doesn't matter, what are you saying? You said "MLB doesn't have a budget, why should HBD?"

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009What does properly setting the budget mean? Who are you to judge that? What if I set my budget with the intention of making a few trades with cash?


hehehe! excellent

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009
Even the people on your "side" of cash in trades think you're making a dumb argument.



agreed

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009
A 78 rated player is a 78 rated player to everyone. His value to the league is as a 78 rated players. Nothing changes that.

800k to an owner who was incapable of setting his budget properly(a day is dedicated to this) is a big deal. 800k to an owner who does set his budget properly is nothing.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009
Even the people on your "side" of cash in trades think you're making a dumb argument.

Quote: Originally Posted By jvford on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009

A 78 rated player is a 78 rated player to everyone. His value to the league is as a 78 rated players. Nothing changes that.

800k to an owner who was incapable of setting his budget properly(a day is dedicated to this) is a big deal. 800k to an owner who does set his budget properly is nothing.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Because it's wrong. You're confusing player rating with player value. A 78 rated pitcher has less value to a team loaded with SP at the ML and AAA levels than it does to a team that only has 3 starters. I would agree that cash is more fluid than players, but to claim that player value is static is extremely naive


not to mention 78 rated anything looks different from player to player

you can have a pile of **** pitcher who has high stamina and splits with a control of 28 who is worthless at the ml level compared to a stud closer who can only throw an inning at a time

which is worth more?