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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/21/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By andersaa on 1/21/2010
tec- what is the incentive now? If you spend $18 HS and $18 College and still cant see top players. Many owners already play the 0-0 scouting game.
Seriously? I started the thread you referred to. Want to know how many major league quality prospects I saw, at least with enough confidence to think "yeah, he should make it"? One. Maybe two.

Want to know how many I've seen with 18/18? Probably 80-100.

So if you want to play the 0/0 game and go all out for IFA, be my guest. Let me know how that works out for you.



yeah, but of the 80-100 you see they will all be gone by the end of the third round anyways. If you onle see 5 good players with 0/0 you will probably still get 2 of them in the draft anyways.
1/21/2010 7:23 PM
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I know you started it, tec. Todd asked who. Like it never happens. I am not saying I do it, I am just saying even if you don't pay your scouts well you should see most of the top ten. Let me ask this, is there difference between a 18/18 scouting draft and a 10/10 scouting draft with the extra 19 M towards towards a top IFA
1/21/2010 7:30 PM
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Occasionally in the GD forums, for all their faults, guys have a sensible, substantive discussion about a worthwhile topic.

You have a worthwhile topic in the relative merits of building through the draft or the IFA's, and the pros and cons of the current programming for either approach. Now, if only someone would start making sense and quit your petty potshots at one another it could become a good thread (after 13 lacking pages).
1/21/2010 7:56 PM
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You'll see more accurate projections with an 18 than you will with a 10. So the "stud" you see with a 10 may not be quite so attractive as he would be with an 18. So unless you're skilled enough to rate prospect solely by current ratings, age and makeup, you'll want more accurate projections.

Also, you get more prospects to choose from with an 18 as opposed to 10.

Overall, you get far more value from the draft than you will for IFA. First-round draftees are generally much cheaper to sign than will a comparable IFA who's the subject of a bidding war.

If you're ONLY looking for studs, you'll probably have better luck dropping $30m on the top IFA's. But most likely you're going to want and need more depth on your roster than just a handful of stud IFA's. That's where the value of the 2nd-5th round of the draft comes in. If you go 0/0 with your draft budget, you're basically getting (maybe) a decent first rounder and nothing else.
1/21/2010 8:03 PM
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I want to know how a 30 million cap is going to make the IFA process better. I dont care about amateur vs IFA, just why 30 milli hardcap is an improvement. I think it is going to make it worse and would like to have my mind changed.
1/21/2010 8:16 PM
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It's less about improving the IFA process and more about an attempt to make tanking less attractive.

Right now, you run a 20m payroll out there and transfer 50m(25m after transfer) to prospect. Then, with your 45m prospect, you chase IFA.
1/21/2010 8:23 PM
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FWIW, it's probably all for naught. Tankers tank. No matter what you do, unless you boot them or never let them in, they will still tank.
1/21/2010 8:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By e_mandat on 1/21/2010I want to know how a 30 million cap is going to make the IFA process better. I dont care about amateur vs IFA, just why 30 milli hardcap is an improvement. I think it is going to make it worse and would like to have my mind changed.
I would like to see a hard cap at $20m for IFA.

As candidate Obama once said "We've got to spread the wealth around, Joe!"
1/21/2010 8:28 PM
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I tried to make what i thought was a simple point.

Maybe trying to use examples made it more confusing.

Obviously if you spend 20M on scouting you should get more and better reports than if you spend 10M

But even if you spend 10M your scouting should start with the best players.

I want my scouts to worry about scouting all the 1st round possibilities before they even start scouting players that have no shot at the majors.

So for me too spend 18M and not even know that the 2nd and 3rd best players were even in the draft seems just a little dumb too me.

I`ve been accused of using a fake name.

It was suggested that i`m angry because somebody accused me of taking advantage of the IFA system.

The fact is i`ve never spent more than 28M on prospects in any season so this rule doesn`t even affect me.

I was trying to post something that could help,

I hope some of you got my point as intended.

If everybody would at least try to keep their post to positive contributions instead of just trying to argue and insult it would probably be a good thing.IMO
1/22/2010 7:58 AM
MikeT23
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Again, if I'm going to see all the players with 1st round possibilities, why should I spend anything on HS/College scouting? I usually pick in the mid 20s. If I'm going to see the top 32, does it matter if I get the #25 or #29 rated player?

I won't even bother to get into the collusion aspect of seeing all the top players.
1/22/2010 8:04 AM
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Again,If you spend 20M you may see a 85 rating.
If you spend 15M a 78,10M a 70 etc.

Every draft board isn`t going to be the same.

And every once in a while a 2nd or 3rd round pick should be able to be better than some 1st round picks.

1/22/2010 8:14 AM
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Doesn't matter if I'm picking 25th.
1/22/2010 8:25 AM
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Why not?

If you pick 25th but have better scouting reports than 10 teams ahead of you then your not going to get the 25th rated player on your board.

And the 25th rated player going into the draft shouldn`t end up being the 25th best player.

If i spend 8M and pick 10th and you spend 18M and pick 25th and you get a better player because your reports are more accurate thats fine.

If i spend 18M and pick 10th and you spend 8M and pick 25th and you get a better player because my scouts didn`t even know he was in the draft that can`t be the best way.

1/22/2010 8:45 AM
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Because I'm seeing the top 50, more or less, under your suggestion. The difference between 25 and 50 isn't mind-boggling. And, in all likelihood, I'm going to get the 30th best player at worst.
1/22/2010 8:48 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jc44 on 1/22/2010
Why not?

If you pick 25th but have better scouting reports than 10 teams ahead of you then your not going to get the 25th rated player on your board.

And the 25th rated player going into the draft shouldn`t end up being the 25th best player.

If i spend 8M and pick 10th and you spend 18M and pick 25th and you get a better player because your reports are more accurate thats fine.

If i spend 18M and pick 10th and you spend 8M and pick 25th and you get a better player because my scouts didn`t even know he was in the draft that can`t be the best way.

One way to deal with your concern would be to place all the top prospects on all the draft boards, but create a higher degree of fuzziness around their final projections. But I would ask: would you really feel better about not having access to 2 of the top 3 players if it was because your scouts told you they sucked, as oppossed to your scouts just not being aware of them at all? I'm not sure what the practical difference is.
1/22/2010 8:53 AM
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