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Quote: Originally Posted By thewizard2 on 1/19/2010My issue is that you argue for the sake of being right, instead of arguing to find a solution. Make sense
I think everyone has an urge to be right...maybe mine's a little stronger than everyone elses, but who doesn't want to be right? My ideas for HD have been shot down and I'm cool with that...its smart business to do what the vast majority of your customers want/ask for. My entire website is essentially based on "finding a solution/solving a problem" so my intent is to "fix" things that need fixing.
1/19/2010 10:46 AM
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You need to understand before you can fix. You tend to skip step #1 when talking about your HD ideas.
1/19/2010 10:49 AM
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I wasn't so much arguing for HD changes though as much as I was for my own thoughts/concepts/ideas. WIS was never going to use my ranking systems to begin with, so the fact that people went ape was rather surprising to me. The other big argument here ballooned when I said I rate all wins higher than all losses...that's not necessarily an HD issue either. As far as recruiting went, I suggested that if they simplified recruiting that they'd probably have more customers...got my head chewed off about that. Randomness has popped up as well. I don't want to be the bad guy here, I don't want to be the person that people love to hate.
1/19/2010 10:52 AM
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1/19/2010 10:54 AM
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My website is meant to affect real life, not HD.
1/19/2010 11:02 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 1/19/2010My website is meant to affect real life, not HD.


Then PLEASE leave it off HD?


This IS HD, not RL.
1/19/2010 11:17 AM
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It was never going to happen to begin with, thus I don't know why people got all up in arms in the first place....but...fwiw I can rate HD just as well as I can rate RL, and I'm convinced of that...I would be using all of the same numbers and criteria as in real life.
1/19/2010 11:18 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 1/19/2010
You need to understand before you can fix. You tend to skip step #1 when talking about your HD ideas.

We have all tried telling him this...
1/19/2010 11:21 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 1/19/2010

You need to understand before you can fix. You tend to skip step #1 when talking about your HD ideas.

We have all tried telling him this..


FWIW, you don't need to know the precise ins and outs of HD to want to improve rankings, simplify recruiting while referencing EA Sports recruiting in the process, and recognizing extreme randomness, especially when I've seen it in about 4 games here.
1/19/2010 11:26 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010It was never going to happen to begin with, thus I don't know why people got all up in arms in the first place....but...fwiw I can rate HD just as well as I can rate RL, and I'm convinced of that...I would be using all of the same numbers and criteria as in real life
So, in real life, teams have an overall average rating? A big thing that you have been criticized for is your use of the overall average rating as the measure of a team's ability when computing your SOS, or whatever it was.
1/19/2010 11:34 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 1/19/2010

You need to understand before you can fix. You tend to skip step #1 when talking about your HD ideas.

We have all tried telling him this...



FWIW, you don't need to know the precise ins and outs of HD to want to improve rankings, simplify recruiting while referencing EA Sports recruiting in the process, and recognizing extreme randomness, especially when I've seen it in about 4 games here.
Yes, actually you do. You are making the claim that recruiting doesn't work without understanding how it works.
1/19/2010 11:34 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 1/19/2010

You need to understand before you can fix. You tend to skip step #1 when talking about your HD ideas.

We have all tried telling him this...



FWIW, you don't need to know the precise ins and outs of HD to want to improve rankings, simplify recruiting while referencing EA Sports recruiting in the process, and recognizing extreme randomness, especially when I've seen it in about 4 games here.
Yes, actually you do. You are making the claim that recruiting doesn't work without understanding how it works
No, what I said was that I thought recruiting should be simplified because my educated guess/assumption is that the majority of people that have quit this game for some other reason than financial have quit the game because they sucked at recruiting, thought it was too tough, etc. Like I said, for the millions that grew up on EA to come over to this, its really a stark difference.
1/19/2010 11:36 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010


FWIW, you don't need to know the precise ins and outs of HD to want to improve rankings, simplify recruiting while referencing EA Sports recruiting in the process, and recognizing extreme randomness, especially when I've seen it in about 4 games here.
Again, this is what you view as extreme randomness, it is not anythign that you can prove. WIS sims thousands of games a day. How many teams are there per world? Let's just use 700, easy number to work with and let's see that is about 3500 games per sim cycle. So you are claiming that because you have seen 4 games, all different days, that there is extreme randomness?

Even if all 4 of those were in the same game cycle that is still barely a tenth of a percent of games.
1/19/2010 11:37 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010No, what I said was that I thought recruiting should be simplified because my educated guess/assumption is that the majority of people that have quit this game for some other reason than financial have quit the game because they sucked at recruiting, thought it was too tough, etc. Like I said, for the millions that grew up on EA to come over to this, its really a stark difference
Exactly, you are making bold statements based on assumptions not knowledge.
1/19/2010 11:37 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hbmerlin on 1/19/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
It was never going to happen to begin with, thus I don't know why people got all up in arms in the first place....but...fwiw I can rate HD just as well as I can rate RL, and I'm convinced of that...I would be using all of the same numbers and criteria as in real life.
So, in real life, teams have an overall average rating? A big thing that you have been criticized for is your use of the overall average rating as the measure of a team's ability when computing your SOS, or whatever it was.
I can rank text/video games 3 different ways....like RL, with an OTR SOS, with an OTR SOS where "who should win" is considered. I've suggested that the last 2 are viable rankings but ultimately for a best case scenario purpose, if WIS really wanted to incorporate my rankings, I would urge them to use the RLs...not discounting the other methods, I just think that especially in HD the RL would be best because the overall rankings do need adjustment. EA Sports ratings are adjusted both from an individual and team standpoint, thus making OTRs better/more solid for those games.
1/19/2010 11:40 AM
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