Posted by all3 on 4/4/2019 4:46:00 PM (view original):
wylie,
For almost Obama's entire 2-term stay, I DID respect him: almost solely because of the office he held. He no longer holds that position, so I no longer hold that same level of respect for him. As I've said before, I feel it's imperative that ALL Americans respect their President. If we don't, then how can we expect anyone else from anywhere else in the World to respect him? Others are certainly free to disagree, but that doesn't make it "right", and I don't think even the hugest Trump-hater would ague that the World's view of him would be more favorable IF we all showed him (or his position - I'm not getting into a semantics discussion) respect. IF any American feels a POTUS, or other figure of respect, is unworthy, then PROVE it and get them removed.

Yes, you have said that many times. I'm not going to go find it, but when I questioned where your respect for the President was when you called Obama Oblunder, you responded that he was no longer president, and you actually respected the office of the president more, not whoever was in it.
As far as expecting the rest of the world to respect the POTUS, I don't expect anyone else to respect him/her if he is not worthy of that respect. I doubt that much of the world's view of Trump would be different if we showed him more respect. Doesn't say much for the rest of the world'ss intelligence if their respect is based on ours.
In my view and I know your opinion is different, Mr Trump has done very little to earn anyone's respect. He lies constantly, he sends out stupid, childish tweets, and he engages in childish attacks on people he does not like. That does not seem very presidential to me.

Posted by dino27 on 4/4/2019 4:28:00 PM (view original):
very very high caliber elite prosecutors are not politicians.

district attorneys are elected, so they are politicians. Some prosecutors are appointed, but they are appointed by politicians. Most likely those politicians are appointing them because they agree with said politicians views or can be controlled by said politician to an extant. As far as I am concerned they are politicians. They are called political appointees, aren't they?

no.......the mueller prosecutors came up through the ranks...they applied after law school to justice dept or after a prior job.....trump knows they are registered dem....they are not political..trump made them political...they were cream of the crop.
an ada in any town or city gets their job the same way.

Posted by dino27 on 4/4/2019 6:05:00 PM (view original):
i think what you said is stupid.......you should not respect a president that lies and should be impeached..only an idiot would respect such a person.

I'm with dino on this one.

By all3's logic, the German people in 1940 should have exercised nothing but respect for the Fuhrer because he was their leader and (thus) it was necessary for them to give Hitler respect. That's blind support for whomever has control of the office. BLIND respect. Blind faith in a "position" or office or "title" of human creation/design. Fallible. Blind faith is blindness, thus blind respect is (also) blindness. Ignorance.

my thoughts exactly.......democrats and independents are not sheep.....let the republicans be the blind loyalty people....trump depends on that..

Oh boy....Grassley and light in the loafers Lindsay Graham starting to backpedal and get out in front of it. They "warned" Barr of trying to politically influence something. Like I said earlier, should have seen what happened to John Mitchell.

Posted by laramiebob on 4/4/2019 7:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/4/2019 6:05:00 PM (view original):
i think what you said is stupid.......you should not respect a president that lies and should be impeached..only an idiot would respect such a person.

I'm with dino on this one.

By all3's logic, the German people in 1940 should have exercised nothing but respect for the Fuhrer because he was their leader and (thus) it was necessary for them to give Hitler respect. That's blind support for whomever has control of the office. BLIND respect. Blind faith in a "position" or office or "title" of human creation/design. Fallible. Blind faith is blindness, thus blind respect is (also) blindness. Ignorance.

Well not quite because it was not a Democracy and Hitler took power with force.

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/5/2019 9:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 4/4/2019 7:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/4/2019 6:05:00 PM (view original):
i think what you said is stupid.......you should not respect a president that lies and should be impeached..only an idiot would respect such a person.

I'm with dino on this one.

By all3's logic, the German people in 1940 should have exercised nothing but respect for the Fuhrer because he was their leader and (thus) it was necessary for them to give Hitler respect. That's blind support for whomever has control of the office. BLIND respect. Blind faith in a "position" or office or "title" of human creation/design. Fallible. Blind faith is blindness, thus blind respect is (also) blindness. Ignorance.

Well not quite because it was not a Democracy and Hitler took power with force.

You changed the goalposts. That is irrelevant. Respect the position, as all3 says.

It is "move the goalposts" not change. In the US these are elected officials, not the same as dictators. Maybe you should take a history class at K State? LOL

This is why I chose to leave. Talking to you kills more brain cells than alcohol and marijuana combined.

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/5/2019 10:17:00 AM (view original):
It is "move the goalposts" not change. In the US these are elected officials, not the same as dictators. Maybe you should take a history class at K State? LOL

This is why I chose to leave. Talking to you kills more brain cells than alcohol and marijuana combined.

All3's logic had nothing to do with how a leader came to power. It was simply about respecting the position.

Posted by wylie715 on 4/4/2019 6:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 4/4/2019 4:46:00 PM (view original):
wylie,
For almost Obama's entire 2-term stay, I DID respect him: almost solely because of the office he held. He no longer holds that position, so I no longer hold that same level of respect for him. As I've said before, I feel it's imperative that ALL Americans respect their President. If we don't, then how can we expect anyone else from anywhere else in the World to respect him? Others are certainly free to disagree, but that doesn't make it "right", and I don't think even the hugest Trump-hater would ague that the World's view of him would be more favorable IF we all showed him (or his position - I'm not getting into a semantics discussion) respect. IF any American feels a POTUS, or other figure of respect, is unworthy, then PROVE it and get them removed.

Yes, you have said that many times. I'm not going to go find it, but when I questioned where your respect for the President was when you called Obama Oblunder, you responded that he was no longer president, and you actually respected the office of the president more, not whoever was in it.
As far as expecting the rest of the world to respect the POTUS, I don't expect anyone else to respect him/her if he is not worthy of that respect. I doubt that much of the world's view of Trump would be different if we showed him more respect. Doesn't say much for the rest of the world'ss intelligence if their respect is based on ours.
In my view and I know your opinion is different, Mr Trump has done very little to earn anyone's respect. He lies constantly, he sends out stupid, childish tweets, and he engages in childish attacks on people he does not like. That does not seem very presidential to me.

Let's say you take a new job, where you know nobody. Until you get to know people and make your own decisions about them, aren't you going to at least somewhat rely on what others are saying? If others like and/or respect someone, aren't you inclined to do so to, until that person PROVES otherwise? Same thing with Americans, Trump (or any POTUS) and the rest of the World. Every President does things that some Americans find "unPresidential". This Country is far to diverse for anyone to ever do anything but. However, I still feel, and believe I always will feel, that someone's personal feelings about a President do not entitle them to disrespect him. Obviously this belief puts me in a group that continues to get smaller and smaller as the Country continues to get more and more liberal, and more and more people for some reason believe they "deserve" to be able to toss unsubstantiated BS at the POTUS. Don't believe how anyone can not see how that hurts the Country.

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/5/2019 9:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 4/4/2019 7:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/4/2019 6:05:00 PM (view original):
i think what you said is stupid.......you should not respect a president that lies and should be impeached..only an idiot would respect such a person.

I'm with dino on this one.

By all3's logic, the German people in 1940 should have exercised nothing but respect for the Fuhrer because he was their leader and (thus) it was necessary for them to give Hitler respect. That's blind support for whomever has control of the office. BLIND respect. Blind faith in a "position" or office or "title" of human creation/design. Fallible. Blind faith is blindness, thus blind respect is (also) blindness. Ignorance.

Well not quite because it was not a Democracy and Hitler took power with force.

he insinuated himself into the govt but there was no military take over......the germans supported him...and that support grew.

Posted by tangplay on 4/5/2019 10:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/5/2019 10:17:00 AM (view original):
It is "move the goalposts" not change. In the US these are elected officials, not the same as dictators. Maybe you should take a history class at K State? LOL

This is why I chose to leave. Talking to you kills more brain cells than alcohol and marijuana combined.

All3's logic had nothing to do with how a leader came to power. It was simply about respecting the position.

Position in the United States. I am sure he was not referring to Nazi Germany.

It should hold true for any country.

No. You cannot conflate Dictatorships with Democracies. Saddam Hussein and George Bush were not the same leaders.