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Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2019 6:30:00 PM (view original):
Again, according to your link:

"Slow income growth has been the most persistent problem affecting the US economy in its recovery from the Great Recession. Wages have barely kept up with the cost of living, even as the unemployment rate dropped and the economy expanded."
But they are the best since the Great Recession LOL. Capt. Pessimist.
3/8/2019 7:00 PM
the best since the great recession does not mean they are good
3/8/2019 7:30 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 3/8/2019 7:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2019 6:30:00 PM (view original):
Again, according to your link:

"Slow income growth has been the most persistent problem affecting the US economy in its recovery from the Great Recession. Wages have barely kept up with the cost of living, even as the unemployment rate dropped and the economy expanded."
But they are the best since the Great Recession LOL. Capt. Pessimist.
It’s one month. If it continues, great. Then again, you’d like to eat most of it up with an additional sales tax so...
3/8/2019 7:56 PM
Posted by ncmusician_7 on 3/8/2019 4:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 3/8/2019 12:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ncmusician_7 on 3/8/2019 10:21:00 AM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 3/8/2019 9:05:00 AM (view original):
Topic of the day: The economy. Where is it heading and why?
I think we will have a recession in 2021. Not having close to a balanced budget in the current economy is ridiculous.
What event or events cause the recession in your opinion?
Since WW2, the current expansion is about as long as u can go without at least a mild recession. I think some of the same problems in the mid 2000's r happening now -banks requiring next to nothing down, too much debt, etc-.
This for sure. Bad loans will be the cause of our next recession both with home mortgages and student loans. I really hope the government doesn't bail out the banks when they collapse again. Let them fail. We shouldn't have government secured loans anyways. Hold the banks responsible for making bad choices.
3/8/2019 8:06 PM
Posted by all3 on 3/8/2019 5:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagchucker on 3/8/2019 2:36:00 PM (view original):
deficit up + defense untouchable == entitlements at risk
Almost enough to make me root for a growing deficit.
Far, far, far too many freakin' handouts in this Country. If people want to give to charities, they have that option, but their Government shouldn't be acting as one.
(This comes from a person who tithes and donates regularly.)
paying taxes is the correct and patriotic way to tithe and donate

giving it away to the needy and saying Therefore my taxes should be reduced

is pure dee owl sh*t, its a line item veto
3/8/2019 10:23 PM
the hollowing out of the middle and working class

and the concentration of wealth in the top 1%

requires a wealth transfer from the top to the bottom however its done is my basic political stance these days

if the crooks get all the money, the system needs to be more crook-like and get it back
3/8/2019 10:32 PM
Posted by all3 on 3/8/2019 4:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagchucker on 3/8/2019 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 3/8/2019 10:00:00 AM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 3/8/2019 9:05:00 AM (view original):
Topic of the day: The economy. Where is it heading and why?
We need a federal sales tax. I recommend 2% on everything until debt dips below $10Trn. Raise the retirement age to 73. Try to do a better job with fraud. Better border security and enforcement of green card overstays and we should be OK. Low unemployment, high level of innovation, wage growth is all great.
tax wealth not spending
IF they'd ever take-out all the loopholes and deductions, maybe, but since they refuse, and it certainly isn't working "as is", why not try something different?

People who make more are going to have more to spend on "non-essentials", so why not just collect then? Far, far and away a much simplier and easier system, and I think the most fair. If three different people of three varying incomes can all afford the same $50,000 car, why not tax them the same on that amount? Chances are the three aren't going to purchase such vehicles with the same frequency, so the one with the most income is going to pay more over time, but in that moment, they all have equally as much "excess" to spend.
who is they. they is you if you vote. you say maybe but its not worth fighting for

would the same tax extend to buying land, companies, and lawyers?
3/8/2019 10:51 PM (edited)
Posted by bagchucker on 3/8/2019 10:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by all3 on 3/8/2019 5:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagchucker on 3/8/2019 2:36:00 PM (view original):
deficit up + defense untouchable == entitlements at risk
Almost enough to make me root for a growing deficit.
Far, far, far too many freakin' handouts in this Country. If people want to give to charities, they have that option, but their Government shouldn't be acting as one.
(This comes from a person who tithes and donates regularly.)
paying taxes is the correct and patriotic way to tithe and donate

giving it away to the needy and saying Therefore my taxes should be reduced

is pure dee owl sh*t, its a line item veto
If you'd actually read what I post instead of trying to immediately argue it, you'd see I'm NOT saying my taxes should be reduced by my tithing and donations - the current system is. You'd also see that I'd love to see that changed. Tithing should never have anything to do with taxes. You either do it, or you don't, no matter what your tax rate or system is.
"They" is the people we elect; 90+% who become Party puppets well before they even take office. The system is more than a little broken. I fight against it with my vote twice a year.
I honestly don't understand you comparing land with companies and lawyers, but I'll try to rephrase as simply as possible - the tax would be on EVERYTHING non-essential. Yes, that would require much debate and discussion on defining what that means, but certainly things like milk, bread and eggs would be, while things like a boat would not be. I'll even express the opinion that certain things only be partially taxed above a certain amount, like phones above $200, cars above $20,000 and, homes above $200,000 because while it can be argued they are essential, luxuries that elevate their price above a certain level (argue my amounts if you must) are NOT essential.
3/9/2019 8:37 AM (edited)
Posted by wylie715 on 3/8/2019 7:30:00 PM (view original):
the best since the great recession does not mean they are good
Define “good”
3/9/2019 9:58 AM
i believe my government should be a charity

the whole point of government in the united states is to provide equal opportunity to all

the general welfare, are you familiar with that phrase

oh my god it sounds like welfare

that's cause it is. its what that word means
3/9/2019 10:36 AM
the rich are faring well, the poor are turning socialist, and the big middle that used to be is getting skinnier by the decade
3/9/2019 10:39 AM
America was at it's mightiest and the middle class was at it's strongest when marginal tax rates and Union membership were at their highest

Republicans are against both of those
3/9/2019 10:48 AM
is land a luxury

is someone else's company a luxury

is a lawyer a luxury

will those purchases all get taxed too under your scheme

or are you all about Damn i wanted to by that learjet so bad but the tax was like a gun to my head
3/9/2019 10:55 AM
Posted by all3 on 3/9/2019 8:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bagchucker on 3/8/2019 10:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by all3 on 3/8/2019 5:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagchucker on 3/8/2019 2:36:00 PM (view original):
deficit up + defense untouchable == entitlements at risk
Almost enough to make me root for a growing deficit.
Far, far, far too many freakin' handouts in this Country. If people want to give to charities, they have that option, but their Government shouldn't be acting as one.
(This comes from a person who tithes and donates regularly.)
paying taxes is the correct and patriotic way to tithe and donate

giving it away to the needy and saying Therefore my taxes should be reduced

is pure dee owl sh*t, its a line item veto
If you'd actually read what I post instead of trying to immediately argue it, you'd see I'm NOT saying my taxes should be reduced by my tithing and donations - the current system is. You'd also see that I'd love to see that changed. Tithing should never have anything to do with taxes. You either do it, or you don't, no matter what your tax rate or system is.
"They" is the people we elect; 90+% who become Party puppets well before they even take office. The system is more than a little broken. I fight against it with my vote twice a year.
I honestly don't understand you comparing land with companies and lawyers, but I'll try to rephrase as simply as possible - the tax would be on EVERYTHING non-essential. Yes, that would require much debate and discussion on defining what that means, but certainly things like milk, bread and eggs would be, while things like a boat would not be. I'll even express the opinion that certain things only be partially taxed above a certain amount, like phones above $200, cars above $20,000 and, homes above $200,000 because while it can be argued they are essential, luxuries that elevate their price above a certain level (argue my amounts if you must) are NOT essential.
i'm a pretty good reader
3/9/2019 11:01 AM
Posted by bronxcheer on 3/9/2019 10:48:00 AM (view original):
America was at it's mightiest and the middle class was at it's strongest when marginal tax rates and Union membership were at their highest

Republicans are against both of those
sing it brother
3/9/2019 11:02 AM
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