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Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tutmeister on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By gator993 on 6/15/2009

Setting the budget should be one of the most strategic parts of the game. Trading for cash makes it less important. Thats why many have a major issue with it. I agree with it, thats why I play in worlds where its not allowed.

I feel the worlds that allow it are easier to win and can build a superstar team much easier. But playing in those worlds are by choice and not against the rules, still comes down to preference.




There can be strategy in under budgeting hoping to sell players and there is strategy in over budgeting hoping to buy people. The 'strategy of budgeting' argument doesn't work.

Bottom line is players traded for cash happens in real life, so what wrong with it?

that's known as 'unwise strategy'

Again, who are you to judge?



i can have an opinion about anything i damn well please. if that's judging, so be it

p.s. i'm not one of the people saying cash should never be allowed in trades. so i'm kinda on your side. just not for the reasons you're throwing out here

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009I've reported it for you, KJD. I suppose everyone who's said "That's dumb" is looking at a vacation. Or none of us are. We'll see

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Quote: Originally Posted By tutmeister on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tutmeister on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By gator993 on 6/15/2009

Setting the budget should be one of the most strategic parts of the game. Trading for cash makes it less important. Thats why many have a major issue with it. I agree with it, thats why I play in worlds where its not allowed.

I feel the worlds that allow it are easier to win and can build a superstar team much easier. But playing in those worlds are by choice and not against the rules, still comes down to preference.




There can be strategy in under budgeting hoping to sell players and there is strategy in over budgeting hoping to buy people. The 'strategy of budgeting' argument doesn't work.

Bottom line is players traded for cash happens in real life, so what wrong with it?

that's known as 'unwise strategy'

Again, who are you to judge?



i can have an opinion about anything i damn well please. if that's judging, so be it

p.s. i'm not one of the people saying cash should never be allowed in trades. so i'm kinda on your side. just not for the reasons you're throwing out here

That's fine, but just remember that one persons opinion about whether or not a strategy is wise or unwise doesn't make the strategy invalid.


i never said it was invalid, just unwise

too many variables that, if they don't work out for you, handcuff you big time

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Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By gator993 on 6/15/2009

Setting the budget should be one of the most strategic parts of the game. Trading for cash makes it less important. Thats why many have a major issue with it. I agree with it, thats why I play in worlds where its not allowed.

I feel the worlds that allow it are easier to win and can build a superstar team much easier. But playing in those worlds are by choice and not against the rules, still comes down to preference.




There can be strategy in under budgeting hoping to sell players and there is strategy in over budgeting hoping to buy people. The 'strategy of budgeting' argument doesn't work.

Bottom line is players traded for cash happens in real life, so what wrong with it?

This is a salary cap game and MLB is not. Thats why thats not a good argument.

There is strategy in what you state but its an easier strategy to build a winner then a league that does not allow it. If you had to stick with a budget you set at day 1 through 90 days it is much more difficult then being able to trade for cash. Even if it is your strategy it also leads to an easier fix to teams that make a mistake.

Again if you enjoy that league go for it, I don'e and won't play in them. I enjoy the tougher challenge. I don't think either of us are going to change our minds.

HBD does have a budget, it also has the ability to trade cash, arguing for one thing included in HBD over another thing in HBD makes no sense.

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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009

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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009

A 78 rated player is a 78 rated player to everyone. His value to the league is as a 78 rated players. Nothing changes that.

800k to an owner who was incapable of setting his budget properly(a day is dedicated to this) is a big deal. 800k to an owner who does set his budget properly is nothing.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Because it's wrong. You're confusing player rating with player value. A 78 rated pitcher has less value to a team loaded with SP at the ML and AAA levels than it does to a team that only has 3 starters. I would agree that cash is more fluid than players, but to claim that player value is static is extremely naive.



It's value to the WORLD not individual teams.

Seriously, think it out.

Re-read what I wrote and if you still don't understand, ask questions. Cryptic statements don't contribute anything


Did you just say I couldn't understand you because I'm dumb? That's harassment according to KJD. ADMIN will be checking this thread. What will you do with your vacation time?

The value of a player to the WORLD is static. A 78 rated player making 2m is a 78 rated player making 2m to everyone. That is what he is. Nothing changes that.

The value of 2m varies. 2m might be a decent RP. 2m might be a 39 y/o mop-up man. 2m might be a young slugger in his 5th season still under arb.

Cash is fluid because it is what the owner makes it. A player is what he is.

Seriously.

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Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tutmeister on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By gator993 on 6/15/2009

Setting the budget should be one of the most strategic parts of the game. Trading for cash makes it less important. Thats why many have a major issue with it. I agree with it, thats why I play in worlds where its not allowed.

I feel the worlds that allow it are easier to win and can build a superstar team much easier. But playing in those worlds are by choice and not against the rules, still comes down to preference.




There can be strategy in under budgeting hoping to sell players and there is strategy in over budgeting hoping to buy people. The 'strategy of budgeting' argument doesn't work.

Bottom line is players traded for cash happens in real life, so what wrong with it?

that's known as 'unwise strategy'

Again, who are you to judge?



i can have an opinion about anything i damn well please. if that's judging, so be it

p.s. i'm not one of the people saying cash should never be allowed in trades. so i'm kinda on your side. just not for the reasons you're throwing out here

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/15/2009
I've reported it for you, KJD. I suppose everyone who's said "That's dumb" is looking at a vacation. Or none of us are. We'll see.

Crickets.



Did you just call me an insect? That's very insulting. Ticket sent.

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009And my comment was not ment as an attack at you, calm down. Its my point, all these people have opinions on what a good and bad strategy is, and what a 'properly set budget' is, but that is all meaningless, its just opinions.


I think it was an attack on me. Harassment. Ticket sent.

Quote: Originally Posted By njohnson78 on 6/15/2009In one of my worlds, a trade just went down that involved more cash than the total salaries of every player in the deal. At first glance, it was an even trade. One stud going in each direction, one above average player going in each direction, along with one career minor leaguer going in each direction. But then one owner included $2M in cash.

The owner receiving the cash actually tried to work out this same trade with me a day or two earlier, saying that he needed the cash (it was $3M when he was talking to me) so he could sign a certain free agent. Ridiculous.


Explain to me whats rediculous about that?

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Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009
And my comment was not ment as an attack at you, calm down. Its my point, all these people have opinions on what a good and bad strategy is, and what a 'properly set budget' is, but that is all meaningless, its just opinions.



I think it was an attack on me. Harassment. Ticket sent.

hehehe!

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Quote: Originally Posted By gator993 on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 6/15/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By gator993 on 6/15/2009

Setting the budget should be one of the most strategic parts of the game. Trading for cash makes it less important. Thats why many have a major issue with it. I agree with it, thats why I play in worlds where its not allowed.

I feel the worlds that allow it are easier to win and can build a superstar team much easier. But playing in those worlds are by choice and not against the rules, still comes down to preference.




There can be strategy in under budgeting hoping to sell players and there is strategy in over budgeting hoping to buy people. The 'strategy of budgeting' argument doesn't work.

Bottom line is players traded for cash happens in real life, so what wrong with it?

This is a salary cap game and MLB is not. Thats why thats not a good argument.

There is strategy in what you state but its an easier strategy to build a winner then a league that does not allow it. If you had to stick with a budget you set at day 1 through 90 days it is much more difficult then being able to trade for cash. Even if it is your strategy it also leads to an easier fix to teams that make a mistake.

Again if you enjoy that league go for it, I don'e and won't play in them. I enjoy the tougher challenge. I don't think either of us are going to change our minds.

HBD does have a budget, it also has the ability to trade cash, arguing for one thing included in HBD over another thing in HBD makes no sense.