The Mad Scientist Top 25 Ranking Debate Topic

colonels19
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I think you're just failing to see how accurate it could be...what better way is there to judge actual team talent, especially when you have concrete numerical ratings there to do so? Just because you've never seen it, never thought about it, etc. doesn't mean its stupid, wouldn't work, etc. You're being closed-minded. I believe in my concepts, period.
12/21/2009 6:44 PM
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you are delusional.
12/21/2009 6:46 PM
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Because talent is not the sole determiner of how hard one game is compared to another? It isn't a "TOS"(Talent of Schedule) rating, but a SOS (_Strength_ of schedule) rating.
12/21/2009 6:46 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 12/21/2009you are delusional
You've offered nothing to this thread.
12/21/2009 6:47 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 12/21/2009Because talent is not the sole determiner of how hard one game is compared to another? It isn't a "TOS"(Talent of Schedule) rating, but a SOS (_Strength_ of schedule) rating.
I never said it was the sole determiner, but it probably has the most effect as to what happens in any given game. In the end, it depends on what horses you have...or not.
12/21/2009 6:49 PM
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thank you for still skipping my posts you promised to read. that and destroying my thread with nonsense.
12/21/2009 6:50 PM
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12/21/2009 6:51 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/21/2009thank you for still skipping my posts you promised to read. that and destroying my thread with nonsense
Sorry, I will go back to find it now...got caught up in the madness.

As far as your thread goes...you guys wanted to debate, thus we debated. I'm not going to sit quietly while I'm slandered because people think what I'm doing is stupid and/or senseless. You were as much apart of ruining this thread as me or any other person that participated in this discussion.
12/21/2009 6:55 PM
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I never even look at a teams overalll rating because it does not tell you about the team. I look at certain ratings based on the player's position. If my team has a 700 rating and I am playing a team rated 750, but his players do not have great core values, I am not worried about losing.
12/21/2009 6:59 PM
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I find it hard to believe anyone with a 39% career winning record in HD has any idea which ratings matter and to what extent.
12/21/2009 7:00 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By lostmyth2 on 12/21/2009I find it hard to believe anyone with a 39% career winning record in HD has any idea which ratings matter and to what extent
Gee ... ya think?
12/21/2009 7:01 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/21/2009Great so all skills are now weighted equal? What about defense that is only used on 1 side of the ball? Or Ath/Spd which are used on both
No, but largely many of the practice categories help on both sides of the ball, less LP, PE and FT shooting. But here's what I will say...discerning the importance between core ratings does nothing to enhance a ranking system. WE-ST-DU are obviously apart from the core ratings, thus I'd be happy looking at all other ratings aside from those 3 and coagulating an overall rating off of that. All of the ratings still go from 1 to 99 or 100, its not like they have different start and end points. I honestly think with these questions that you're picking nits and in all reality, in the way that I do a ranking system, the whats and whys of what the core ratings do for the game don't really matter. The fact that they are core ratings and would be important to an overall rating does.
12/21/2009 7:01 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By lostmyth2 on 12/21/2009
I find it hard to believe anyone with a 39% career winning record in HD has any idea which ratings matter and to what extent.
Hmmm, we're talking about ways to rank HD here, and you're talking about my HD performance...really? Has nothing to do with it. Let's just gloss over the fact that I've ranked college basketball for one season and in that one season my rankings had the best ranking violation percentage of any of the Massey CBB rankings.

There are thousands better than me at HD, I'll give you that 8 days a week. There's probably not 1 of you that could formulate a better ranking system than any of the 3 I have, and I whole heartedly believe that and that's whats on trial here.
12/21/2009 7:04 PM
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You don't understand HD or HD ratings well (by your own admission). That's pretty simple. If nothing else, your ongoing contention in our 750 vs. 700 example shows how little you understand and how ill-equipped you are to make meaningful judgments and arrive at valid conclusions regarding HD.

Other than that, I think you're superbly qualified.

And sweetheart, I never contended that you said we should hand the trophy to the team with the highest ratings. That was a tongue-in-cheek response of mine to make a bit of a hyperbolic point, never attributed to you. But we all know that when someone has to resort to a straw man like that, it's a sure sign of desperation.

And should you choose to respond to me again, let me re-state this for the 15th time, please read it carefully:

"I am addressing the central debate that you and I have been having, which is your contention that beating a 750-rated team with a mediocre record/rpi/sos is better than beating a 700-rated team with a strong record/rpi/sos. That is what I'm responding to, period."

So when you continue to respond to me as though we're debating something else entirely (which is pretty much all you've done), you're entirely missing the point. We've got some serious shades of swamphawk going here.
12/21/2009 7:08 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 12/21/2009
You don't understand HD or HD ratings well (by your own admission). Never said that and I won't admit it. I think I know enough to be successful for what I want to do, and that's really good enough for meThat's pretty simple. If nothing else, your ongoing contention in our 750 vs. 700 example shows how little you understand and how ill-equipped you are to make meaningful judgments and arrive at valid conclusions regarding HD. If a team has an overall higher core ranking than another team....I'd rather beat team A than team B. It may not be perfect, but when you have such concrete information within a realm where you can use it, you should. You all are just saying its stupid, and have offered nothing more than that...that's rather weak if you ask me. The core ratings are practically equal within the context of themselves...if you think otherwise, weight them...yes I'm challenging any and all of you. You all want to tell me I'm wrong but back down when I say "show me". Cute

Other than that, I think you're superbly qualified. Hilarious

And sweetheart I see you're a fan of and have read colonels19 posts before, I never contended that you said we should hand the trophy to the team with the highest ratings. You said it outright a few pages ago lofl.That was a tongue-in-cheek response, never attributable to you. But we all know that when someone has to resort to a straw man like that, it's a sure sign of desperation. I'm not desperate about anything, like I said, I want to do this and am willing to if I can get the data piped my way. You think my way of ranking teams is stupid because you can't see how it might work and/or may be of use...great job sweetheart.....

12/21/2009 7:14 PM
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