Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010
Again, this is what you view as extreme randomness, it is not anythign that you can prove. WIS sims thousands of games a day. How many teams are there per world? Let's just use 700, easy number to work with and let's see that is about 3500 games per sim cycle. So you are claiming that because you have seen 4 games, all different days, that there is extreme randomness?

Even if all 4 of those were in the same game cycle that is still barely a tenth of a percent of games.

I'm not the only one that views this as a problem, and just because it happens "rarely"doesn't mean that it isn't a legitimate problem in HD/in WIS games altogether. I've seen bizarre randomness ruin seasons on many different levels.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010

Again, this is what you view as extreme randomness, it is not anythign that you can prove. WIS sims thousands of games a day. How many teams are there per world? Let's just use 700, easy number to work with and let's see that is about 3500 games per sim cycle. So you are claiming that because you have seen 4 games, all different days, that there is extreme randomness?

Even if all 4 of those were in the same game cycle that is still barely a tenth of a percent of games.

I'm not the only one that views this as a problem, and just because it happens "rarely"doesn't mean that it isn't a legitimate problem in HD/in WIS games altogether. I've seen bizarre randomness ruin seasons on many different levels.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
No, what I said was that I thought recruiting should be simplified because my educated guess/assumption is that the majority of people that have quit this game for some other reason than financial have quit the game because they sucked at recruiting, thought it was too tough, etc. Like I said, for the millions that grew up on EA to come over to this, its really a stark difference.

Exactly, you are making bold statements based on assumptions not knowledge

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010In all 5 of your HD seasons

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By thewizard2 on 1/19/2010
My issue is that you argue for the sake of being right, instead of arguing to find a solution. Make sense?

I think everyone has an urge to be right...maybe mine's a little stronger than everyone elses, but who doesn't want to be right? My ideas for HD have been shot down and I'm cool with that...its smart business to do what the vast majority of your customers want/ask for. My entire website is essentially based on "finding a solution/solving a problem" so my intent is to "fix" things that need fixing

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 1/19/2010
I don't think its an urge to be right, I think, in an important distinction, its the urge to WIN rather than to be right.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
No, what I said was that I thought recruiting should be simplified because my educated guess/assumption is that the majority of people that have quit this game for some other reason than financial have quit the game because they sucked at recruiting, thought it was too tough, etc. Like I said, for the millions that grew up on EA to come over to this, its really a stark difference.

Exactly, you are making bold statements based on assumptions not knowledge.

Wanting to simplify recruiting because you think recruiting is too tough and/or too different from what people "know" is a valid premise. I understand how WIS recruiting works, that's why I want it simplified/altered

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
No, what I said was that I thought recruiting should be simplified because my educated guess/assumption is that the majority of people that have quit this game for some other reason than financial have quit the game because they sucked at recruiting, thought it was too tough, etc. Like I said, for the millions that grew up on EA to come over to this, its really a stark difference.

Exactly, you are making bold statements based on assumptions not knowledge.

Wanting to simplify recruiting because you think recruiting is too tough and/or too different from what people "know" is a valid premise. I understand how WIS recruiting works, that's why I want it simplified/altered.

No, you actually don't

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010I think this is funny because for the last 2 seasons, I've filled my 4 scholarships with the players I wanted. I may not recruit as well as the high rollers here, I'm still learning the nuances, but I understand how to recruit and how recruiting works...how else could I have signed the 4 guys that I wanted

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
I think this is funny because for the last 2 seasons, I've filled my 4 scholarships with the players I wanted. I may not recruit as well as the high rollers here, I'm still learning the nuances, but I understand how to recruit and how recruiting works...how else could I have signed the 4 guys that I wanted?

How many seasons of D1 recruiting do you have? How many years of Elite recruiting?

You can't comment that recruiting should be shorter until you have experianced it all. 2 cycles a day would not work at d1 at all.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
I think this is funny because for the last 2 seasons, I've filled my 4 scholarships with the players I wanted. I may not recruit as well as the high rollers here, I'm still learning the nuances, but I understand how to recruit and how recruiting works...how else could I have signed the 4 guys that I wanted?

How many seasons of D1 recruiting do you have? How many years of Elite recruiting?

You can't comment that recruiting should be shorter until you have experianced it all. 2 cycles a day would not work at d1 at all.

None, and I guess none, but if I didn't know anything about recruiting or how WIS recruiting works, wouldn't I have 4 walk-ons right now instead of having 4 scholarship players?No, that is not a correct statement in any means. you can not understand how recruiting works and still recruit players. Having 4 walk-ons might show you don't understand recruiting but recruiting 4 players does not show that you do understand recruiting.

Ok make it 4 cycles...you're still cutting it in half and eliminate the non-signing window. why would you want to eliminate the non-signing window? that is the most cruicial part of recruitnig. I still don't see how my opinions of wanting to simplify recruiting equate to me not knowing how WIS recruiting works. It seems like you're just arguing to argue here Zach. I am not you, but thanks. If you want me to say that I'm not even close to being the recruiter you are, I will because I'm not...but I won't agree with something that isn't true, you calling me a know-nothing when it comes to recruiting.Exactly because you don't understand it at all, you have recommended to throw away the part of recruiting where recruits don't sign? why would you do something like that?

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/19/2010
Zach, I don't even understand why we're really having this discussion. Your premise that I don't understand recruiting is preposterous. Please stop letting your dislike of me cloud the truth, seriously. This is not clouding my judgement. I would say the same thing to Alblack (who i respect as a top HD coach) as i would you here. He has not and does not coach top level d1, if he were to say "we should do away with the time before signings and let recruits sign at any point" I would disagree with him too for the same reasons that I disagree with you, stop trying to be a martyr.

I'd like to see the no signing window gone, or at least cut it back a day. Its incredibly boring Again, you have not coached d1 and do not understand how important this part of recruiting is, to say that it should be done away with further proves my point that you do not fully understand recruiting. and I get tired of my recruits saying, I would sign with you right now if I could. There shouldn't be a no signing window because people should already know/understand how important recruiting is, thus they should have their ***** their from the get go, and if you don't and are screwed because of it, then thems the breaks. Also, breaking it down to 4 cycles would make eliminating the signing window more feasible because then instead of having a 3 hour window to recruit/not get screwed, you'll have a 6 hour window. you already only have to show up every 6 hours to recruit.

I feel like this is engraved in stone somewhere by now, but just because you don't agree with my premises/simplification methods doesn't mean that I don't understand recruiting. Again just because you can type the words here doesn't mean you are right, I have very clearly shown how it is that you don't understand recruiting as a whole and why your idea to take away the 'before signing period' is a horrible idea. And before you say it again, it is not just because it is you I would say the exact same thing to anyone who came across and said this. I want to simplify it BECAUSE I understand it, not because I don't know. Now if I had 4 walk-ons and were calling for simplified recruiting, you could look at that and say "sour grapes"...the fact is, the situation is the complete opposite. Again, your 4 walk-ons is as poor of an example as your Free-Throws are 50-50 example from yesterday.