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I would like to know where the 2nd dagger at his chooses team

Posted by seay00 on 4/3/2024 1:38:00 PM (view original):
So jonstephen25, you really have a lot of solid options to choose from in building your team. I was looking at your gifted teams and thinking- where is the downside? You did a nice job dagger-proofing with adding the 68 Twins. I was going straight away at pitching until I saw all of the extra arms at reasonable salaries. So what to do? Where would it hurt the most? I'm thinking middle infield.

Do I dagger 2B Bobby Doerr or SS Vern Stephens? You do have some platoon options available at SS (on other teams) that aren't horrible. I see a young Rod Carew that is a bit lean on ABs. Or you could cheap with it Cookie Rojas. Doerr is the better player on batting percentages across the board and fielding. Although, Stephens has the excellent durability making the possibility for a minimum salary backup (and he's 400K less than Doerr). But, in crunching the number of what may cost you more, it's not a big difference.

I will go with the player that I don't want to see suit up for you-- 2B Bobby Doerr can see his way to the door while hearing...TO THE WINDOW!! TO THE WALL!!

3, 6, 9 damn, she's fine, hopin' she can sock it to me one mo' time
Get low, get low, get low, get low, get low, get low, get low

To the window (to the window), to the wall, (to the wall)
Till sweat drop down my balls (my balls)

And say bye to Comiskey Park. Not giving any of those pitchers any favors. And your bullpen is ripe for the other parks late in games. Too bad Connie Mack Stadium was not available. In the words of Lil Jon.... OKAY. WHAT!

Good dagger and musical selection. YEAH! OKAY! that was low low low low low.

vilefileman - You may dagger someone from the mighty 1938 White Sox.

Posted by jpeterso on 4/2/2024 10:56:00 PM (view original):
it's fine ermocito. thanks for being commish. It's the best league going for my money and guys are coming around so we'll fill out soon enough. To that end, well played with the dagger jonstephen25. My team is now in shambles. redcped, you may now make a bad situation worse by daggering my 48 Phillies for the coup de grace.

Challenge accepted, oh worthy adversary.

I've taken the liberty of trying to build out your team, and there are some interesting options left for you. If you want to spend big on Jimmie Foxx at 1B, you'll have to suffer the expensive backup and make some painful choices elsewhere. You have a couple other positions where you can choose between better offense or defense. The pitching isn't great, especially your bullpen options, but the Giants do give you a trio of useful SP to build around.

But where can limiting the Phillies choices hurt you? They've got 4 pitchers between 3.15 and 3.52 ERC#, and I'm guessing you'll wind up with 2-3 of them just because someone has to pitch. But there's no one I can remove that hurts.

Catchers? Seminick is basically on the same level as other choices. The 200K backup would be nice if anyone could get you 600 PA, but Seminick is as close as you get. If you want to use them, fine by me.

At 1B you've got Sisler who isn't good. At 2B you've got Hamner who isn't good. At 3B you've got 4 Phils and tons of options, so there's no useful daggering there. So let's keep going.

At SS, Miller would be a nice budget option if you're willing to get no production on offense and a handful of minus plays. It's a consideration, though you might just use DeJesus anyway for his glove and speed. I mean, I would ... but that could mean no Foxx so it's a tough choice. Let's keep Miller in mind.

In the OF, you've got Ennis who is a very productive bat for a good price, though weak on defense. And you've got Ashburn, who's your only decent CF who can also hit much and bring some speed to the table. It's a big dropoff in offense to the next-best CF glove in Cramer, and you have to pay for a lot of PA you don't need with him and he's actually more costly than Ashburn.

If I were building this team, I'd want a guy like Ashburn with A+ range, 88 speed, .333 AVG, and an OBP over .400 to stick atop the lineup. He's a fine player who makes you better on both sides. So since I can't really force any horrible salary squeezes or remove a superb player anywhere else, let's remove Richie Ashburn from your roster choices.

Best of luck!

Posted by razorclams on 4/3/2024 1:42:00 PM (view original):
Is 3dayrotation responding?
I would like to know where the 2nd dagger at his chooses team

3day's team has been taken by dcpeterso. I will make sure he gives you his second dagger team tonight.

Posted by redcped on 4/3/2024 3:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jpeterso on 4/2/2024 10:56:00 PM (view original):
it's fine ermocito. thanks for being commish. It's the best league going for my money and guys are coming around so we'll fill out soon enough. To that end, well played with the dagger jonstephen25. My team is now in shambles. redcped, you may now make a bad situation worse by daggering my 48 Phillies for the coup de grace.

Challenge accepted, oh worthy adversary.

I've taken the liberty of trying to build out your team, and there are some interesting options left for you. If you want to spend big on Jimmie Foxx at 1B, you'll have to suffer the expensive backup and make some painful choices elsewhere. You have a couple other positions where you can choose between better offense or defense. The pitching isn't great, especially your bullpen options, but the Giants do give you a trio of useful SP to build around.

But where can limiting the Phillies choices hurt you? They've got 4 pitchers between 3.15 and 3.52 ERC#, and I'm guessing you'll wind up with 2-3 of them just because someone has to pitch. But there's no one I can remove that hurts.

Catchers? Seminick is basically on the same level as other choices. The 200K backup would be nice if anyone could get you 600 PA, but Seminick is as close as you get. If you want to use them, fine by me.

At 1B you've got Sisler who isn't good. At 2B you've got Hamner who isn't good. At 3B you've got 4 Phils and tons of options, so there's no useful daggering there. So let's keep going.

At SS, Miller would be a nice budget option if you're willing to get no production on offense and a handful of minus plays. It's a consideration, though you might just use DeJesus anyway for his glove and speed. I mean, I would ... but that could mean no Foxx so it's a tough choice. Let's keep Miller in mind.

In the OF, you've got Ennis who is a very productive bat for a good price, though weak on defense. And you've got Ashburn, who's your only decent CF who can also hit much and bring some speed to the table. It's a big dropoff in offense to the next-best CF glove in Cramer, and you have to pay for a lot of PA you don't need with him and he's actually more costly than Ashburn.

If I were building this team, I'd want a guy like Ashburn with A+ range, 88 speed, .333 AVG, and an OBP over .400 to stick atop the lineup. He's a fine player who makes you better on both sides. So since I can't really force any horrible salary squeezes or remove a superb player anywhere else, let's remove Richie Ashburn from your roster choices.

Best of luck!

Touche redcped. Your reasoning is unimpeachable. However, I feel like I threw out the bait and got a hit on this one. I was hoping you'd go for Ashburn. Yes, I want him on my team but I want Foxx more and letting go of Richie was the only way to do it if I wanted any kind of pitching staff. Daggering, in this order would have hurt my build more, I think: backup 2B Emil Verban (I need his low salary), SP Dutch Leonard (I don't want any of the other Phillies pitchers!), and Del Ennis (as you say, good value slugger even if he has a stone glove). Team is ready to go so now we duel. En garde!

Posted by kentol on 4/3/2024 7:26:00 AM (view original):
OK, jpeterso - you can dagger one of my '58 Phillies

kentol, you've made really good choices and have lots to work with. I had 8 possible targets for this Phillies team but daggering each one left me realizing you had other good options elsewhere. It was like playing whack-a-mole. That left me with thinking the best option is to force you to roster the 6 Phillies I want you to. The problem with that is you have the flexibility to roster (an expensive) Richie Ashburn and (a little more reasonable) Robin Roberts. The best option after that seems, then, to remove your best value. For me, that would be Harry Anderson, (the magician and judge from Night Court?). Best I could do fellas.

NebHusker here is your dagger:
You have a very well rounded team that it was hard to narrow down to 1 dagger. Your pitching is solid and you have plenty of options Drysdale was an interesting options but there was too good Pitchers.

As for the offence you had a number of low options though I considered Jackie Gueterez 200k SS leaving you will 2 very ugly backup SS options.
I also considered your best 2b and SS in Glen Beckert and Larry Bowa but there offence was just ok.

So that brings me to your dagger though there isn't that much of a gap from the next best it has the possibilty to put you in a tight spot. So say goodbye to Ron Santo 3b 1968 Cubs. For Stadium say goodbye to Dodger Stadium

Posted by jpeterso on 4/3/2024 3:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by redcped on 4/3/2024 3:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jpeterso on 4/2/2024 10:56:00 PM (view original):
it's fine ermocito. thanks for being commish. It's the best league going for my money and guys are coming around so we'll fill out soon enough. To that end, well played with the dagger jonstephen25. My team is now in shambles. redcped, you may now make a bad situation worse by daggering my 48 Phillies for the coup de grace.

Challenge accepted, oh worthy adversary.

I've taken the liberty of trying to build out your team, and there are some interesting options left for you. If you want to spend big on Jimmie Foxx at 1B, you'll have to suffer the expensive backup and make some painful choices elsewhere. You have a couple other positions where you can choose between better offense or defense. The pitching isn't great, especially your bullpen options, but the Giants do give you a trio of useful SP to build around.

But where can limiting the Phillies choices hurt you? They've got 4 pitchers between 3.15 and 3.52 ERC#, and I'm guessing you'll wind up with 2-3 of them just because someone has to pitch. But there's no one I can remove that hurts.

Catchers? Seminick is basically on the same level as other choices. The 200K backup would be nice if anyone could get you 600 PA, but Seminick is as close as you get. If you want to use them, fine by me.

At 1B you've got Sisler who isn't good. At 2B you've got Hamner who isn't good. At 3B you've got 4 Phils and tons of options, so there's no useful daggering there. So let's keep going.

At SS, Miller would be a nice budget option if you're willing to get no production on offense and a handful of minus plays. It's a consideration, though you might just use DeJesus anyway for his glove and speed. I mean, I would ... but that could mean no Foxx so it's a tough choice. Let's keep Miller in mind.

In the OF, you've got Ennis who is a very productive bat for a good price, though weak on defense. And you've got Ashburn, who's your only decent CF who can also hit much and bring some speed to the table. It's a big dropoff in offense to the next-best CF glove in Cramer, and you have to pay for a lot of PA you don't need with him and he's actually more costly than Ashburn.

If I were building this team, I'd want a guy like Ashburn with A+ range, 88 speed, .333 AVG, and an OBP over .400 to stick atop the lineup. He's a fine player who makes you better on both sides. So since I can't really force any horrible salary squeezes or remove a superb player anywhere else, let's remove Richie Ashburn from your roster choices.

Best of luck!

Touche redcped. Your reasoning is unimpeachable. However, I feel like I threw out the bait and got a hit on this one. I was hoping you'd go for Ashburn. Yes, I want him on my team but I want Foxx more and letting go of Richie was the only way to do it if I wanted any kind of pitching staff. Daggering, in this order would have hurt my build more, I think: backup 2B Emil Verban (I need his low salary), SP Dutch Leonard (I don't want any of the other Phillies pitchers!), and Del Ennis (as you say, good value slugger even if he has a stone glove). Team is ready to go so now we duel. En garde!

(It's tough to talk with this hook in my mouth, but ...)

Emil Verban sounds like the villain in a bad thriller, but he's also only 100K cheaper than another backup 2B option you have. I couldn't see that one.

You have several other starters very similar to Leonard, so I guess that one didn't feel like an effective ploy. At worst, you would be throwing in a guy like Lamp or Rowe. And, really, no one minds facing this Leonard at all.

Ennis definitely could have been the target too. But I figured you've got Clark and Kingman with similar production. What made Ashburn stand out is no one else is quite like him. But this is where different strategies and styles come into play. Just because I would want him doesn't mean you would.

Musketeer, out.

Ermocito... say goodbye to Pat Corrales from the '68 Reds along with Crosley Field.

You now do not have a cheap C unless you're willing to put up with a sub .230 avg...

Calhoop. . . . time to put your daggering skills to the test with the 1968 Dodgers!

razorclams

You can go ahead and dagger the 68' Astros

.lennyistall

I’m on the road and don’t have all of my research in front of me that I spent days on to determine your first dagger. I’m going by memory so here goes. No question, the ‘68 Tigers are your best team, the ‘38 Phillies are terrible and the ‘78 Angels and the ‘88 Royals have some pieces but not much to write home about. Don’t worry, your ‘38 Phillies are safe and won’t be daggered by me. You should have the pleasure of picking 8 players from their entire roster. The ‘88 Royals have some okay pitchers and Brett at 1st and Seitzer at 3rd. I thought about taking out Seitzer which would have left you with minimal options at 3rd. But he’s safe. The ‘78 Angels have some pieces mainly Tanaka and Ryan, but my favorite player is Brian Downing. I hope you like him too because he may end up being your starting catcher. Yep, you guessed it. I am throwing the dagger at probably your best player, C Bill Freehan.

I’m going to dagger Anaheim Stadium since it is your only pitcher’s park. Royals stadium and Baker Bowl are similar and I’ve never liked Tiger Stadium.

Good luck!

eman7400 - You may take aim at my ‘78 Blue Jays for my final dagger

Dagger Update

AL East
lennyistall (Midknight - Bill Freehan & Anaheim Stadium)
Midknight (dcpeterso - Ken Keltner & Exhibition Stadium) (eman7400 - 78 Blue Jays -
dcpeterso (formerly 3day) (ermocito - Ray Webster & Griffith Stadium) (razorclams - 68 Astros -
ermocito (lennyistall - Pat Corrales & Crosley Field)
AL Central
calhoop (daggered by PReeves22
PReeves22 (whalers10 - Ernie Banks & County Stadium)
whalers10 (daggered by mavioric12
mavioric12 (daggered by calhoop
AL West
NebHusker (eman7400 - Ron Santo & Dodger Stadium) (calhoop - 68 Dodgers - Tom Haller)
eman7400 (Razorclams Manny Sanguillen & Dodger Stadium) (PReeves22 - 38 Indians -
Razorclams (Beernoser - Rob Picciolo & Ebbets Field) (whalers10 - 78 A's - )
Beernoser (NebHusker - Johnny Schmitz & Wrigley Field) (Mav 48 - Braves - )
NL East
kentol (BeAllEndAll - Tim Belcher & Dodger Stadium) (jpeterso - 58 Phillies - Harry Anderson)
BeAllEndAll (_jwillis - Jim Hitchcock & Braves Field) (jonstephen25 - 38 Bees - )
_jwillis (daggered by claytonengel
claytonengel (kentol - Stan Musial & Oakland Coliseum)
NL Central
redcped (daggered by vilefileman
vilefileman (Ribbentrop - Dave McNally & Baltimore Memorial Stadium)
Ribbentrop (jbar8888 - Stan Bahnsen & Royals Stadium) (_jwillis, 48 Pirates - Ralph Kiner)
jbar8888 (redcped - Ed Kranepool & Sportsmans Park)
NL West
jpeterso (jonstephen25 - Joe Cronin & Candlestick Park) (redcped, 48 Phils - Richie Ashburn)
jonstephen25 (daggered by seay00 - Bobby Doerr & Comiskey Park) (vilefileman, 38 White Sox - )
seay00 (daggered by C_Burns04
C_Burns04 (jpeterso George Foster and Riverfront Stadium)