The 77-year-old Kraft was one of 25 people involved in the alleged solicitation at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida.

Solicitation to he was running a sex ring? LOL

The individuals named as having solicited prostitutes could be facing either a first- or second-degree misdemeanor for each count.

Where does it INSINUATE that he knew anything about forced slavery?

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:14:00 PM (view original):
Put it this way, regardless of whether or not the standard is preponderance of the evidence or above, it seems likely that Trump, in front of an impartial jury, could reasonably be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt for campaign finance violations and fraud related to his charity.

It’s a moot point though, because it wouldn’t be an impartial jury, it would be the Senate. And, absent a tremendous smoking gun, the 2/3 of the Senate will never convict him no matter what.

Bingo! Light dawns on Marblehead

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:38:00 PM (view original):
The 77-year-old Kraft was one of 25 people involved in the alleged solicitation at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida.

Solicitation to he was running a sex ring? LOL

The individuals named as having solicited prostitutes could be facing either a first- or second-degree misdemeanor for each count.

Where does it INSINUATE that he knew anything about forced slavery?

And how did they get those prostitutes?

Posted by tangplay on 3/11/2019 2:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:38:00 PM (view original):
The 77-year-old Kraft was one of 25 people involved in the alleged solicitation at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida.

Solicitation to he was running a sex ring? LOL

The individuals named as having solicited prostitutes could be facing either a first- or second-degree misdemeanor for each count.

Where does it INSINUATE that he knew anything about forced slavery?

And how did they get those prostitutes?

I have no idea. I am sure he had no idea. Do you think all call girls are slaves? This was all new to me as well. Find one article that proves he knew these were slaves. Just one. This was a six month sting and if he was involved they would have known and arrested him on a much heavier charge. You're just still butthurt over the KC choke job.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:14:00 PM (view original):
Put it this way, regardless of whether or not the standard is preponderance of the evidence or above, it seems likely that Trump, in front of an impartial jury, could reasonably be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt for campaign finance violations and fraud related to his charity.

It’s a moot point though, because it wouldn’t be an impartial jury, it would be the Senate. And, absent a tremendous smoking gun, the 2/3 of the Senate will never convict him no matter what.

Bingo! Light dawns on Marblehead

The original question wasn’t “will he be impeached and convicted,” it was “should he be impeached?”

That answer is yes.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/11/2019 2:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:38:00 PM (view original):
The 77-year-old Kraft was one of 25 people involved in the alleged solicitation at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida.

Solicitation to he was running a sex ring? LOL

The individuals named as having solicited prostitutes could be facing either a first- or second-degree misdemeanor for each count.

Where does it INSINUATE that he knew anything about forced slavery?

And how did they get those prostitutes?

I have no idea. I am sure he had no idea. Do you think all call girls are slaves? This was all new to me as well. Find one article that proves he knew these were slaves. Just one. This was a six month sting and if he was involved they would have known and arrested him on a much heavier charge. You're just still butthurt over the KC choke job.

You’re SURE he had no idea???

He knew the owner. And I have to imagine Kraft isn’t horribly naive. It’s reasonable to have an idea that immigrant women working in an underground brothel might not be free to leave.

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:14:00 PM (view original):
Put it this way, regardless of whether or not the standard is preponderance of the evidence or above, it seems likely that Trump, in front of an impartial jury, could reasonably be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt for campaign finance violations and fraud related to his charity.

It’s a moot point though, because it wouldn’t be an impartial jury, it would be the Senate. And, absent a tremendous smoking gun, the 2/3 of the Senate will never convict him no matter what.

Bingo! Light dawns on Marblehead

The original question wasn’t “will he be impeached and convicted,” it was “should he be impeached?”

That answer is yes.

Should is subjective.

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:14:00 PM (view original):
Put it this way, regardless of whether or not the standard is preponderance of the evidence or above, it seems likely that Trump, in front of an impartial jury, could reasonably be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt for campaign finance violations and fraud related to his charity.

It’s a moot point though, because it wouldn’t be an impartial jury, it would be the Senate. And, absent a tremendous smoking gun, the 2/3 of the Senate will never convict him no matter what.

Bingo! Light dawns on Marblehead

The original question wasn’t “will he be impeached and convicted,” it was “should he be impeached?”

That answer is yes.

Did I put "will"? My bad. Yes, my intended question was "should". Those are two entirely differently conversations.

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/11/2019 2:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:38:00 PM (view original):
The 77-year-old Kraft was one of 25 people involved in the alleged solicitation at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida.

Solicitation to he was running a sex ring? LOL

The individuals named as having solicited prostitutes could be facing either a first- or second-degree misdemeanor for each count.

Where does it INSINUATE that he knew anything about forced slavery?

And how did they get those prostitutes?

I have no idea. I am sure he had no idea. Do you think all call girls are slaves? This was all new to me as well. Find one article that proves he knew these were slaves. Just one. This was a six month sting and if he was involved they would have known and arrested him on a much heavier charge. You're just still butthurt over the KC choke job.

You’re SURE he had no idea???

He knew the owner. And I have to imagine Kraft isn’t horribly naive. It’s reasonable to have an idea that immigrant women working in an underground brothel might not be free to leave.

Yet a six month sting found nothing and he was charged with a misdemeanor. Odd. Right? If he knew. He should go to jail for life. Still does not impact the product on the field. He doesn't play and KC choked like HRC did in the 2016 election.

Tang, shoot me your topic idea by sitemail so that I don't forget about it.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 3:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/11/2019 2:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:38:00 PM (view original):
The 77-year-old Kraft was one of 25 people involved in the alleged solicitation at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida.

Solicitation to he was running a sex ring? LOL

The individuals named as having solicited prostitutes could be facing either a first- or second-degree misdemeanor for each count.

Where does it INSINUATE that he knew anything about forced slavery?

And how did they get those prostitutes?

I have no idea. I am sure he had no idea. Do you think all call girls are slaves? This was all new to me as well. Find one article that proves he knew these were slaves. Just one. This was a six month sting and if he was involved they would have known and arrested him on a much heavier charge. You're just still butthurt over the KC choke job.

You’re SURE he had no idea???

He knew the owner. And I have to imagine Kraft isn’t horribly naive. It’s reasonable to have an idea that immigrant women working in an underground brothel might not be free to leave.

Yet a six month sting found nothing and he was charged with a misdemeanor. Odd. Right? If he knew. He should go to jail for life. Still does not impact the product on the field. He doesn't play and KC choked like HRC did in the 2016 election.

Not a great look on your franchise.

Also, even if he didn't do the enslaving, he still used sex slaves, likely with knowledge. If he didn't know, he is oblivious to the world.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 3:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/11/2019 2:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:38:00 PM (view original):
The 77-year-old Kraft was one of 25 people involved in the alleged solicitation at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida.

Solicitation to he was running a sex ring? LOL

The individuals named as having solicited prostitutes could be facing either a first- or second-degree misdemeanor for each count.

Where does it INSINUATE that he knew anything about forced slavery?

And how did they get those prostitutes?

I have no idea. I am sure he had no idea. Do you think all call girls are slaves? This was all new to me as well. Find one article that proves he knew these were slaves. Just one. This was a six month sting and if he was involved they would have known and arrested him on a much heavier charge. You're just still butthurt over the KC choke job.

You’re SURE he had no idea???

He knew the owner. And I have to imagine Kraft isn’t horribly naive. It’s reasonable to have an idea that immigrant women working in an underground brothel might not be free to leave.

Yet a six month sting found nothing and he was charged with a misdemeanor. Odd. Right? If he knew. He should go to jail for life. Still does not impact the product on the field. He doesn't play and KC choked like HRC did in the 2016 election.

I’m not saying he was involved in the slavery. I’m saying he should have had an idea that they were slaves.

I, a guy who had never visited a brother and doesn’t personally know any underground brothel owners, know that a large percentage of underground brothel workers are slaves.

Posted by tangplay on 3/11/2019 3:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 3:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/11/2019 2:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:38:00 PM (view original):
The 77-year-old Kraft was one of 25 people involved in the alleged solicitation at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida.

Solicitation to he was running a sex ring? LOL

The individuals named as having solicited prostitutes could be facing either a first- or second-degree misdemeanor for each count.

Where does it INSINUATE that he knew anything about forced slavery?

And how did they get those prostitutes?

I have no idea. I am sure he had no idea. Do you think all call girls are slaves? This was all new to me as well. Find one article that proves he knew these were slaves. Just one. This was a six month sting and if he was involved they would have known and arrested him on a much heavier charge. You're just still butthurt over the KC choke job.

You’re SURE he had no idea???

He knew the owner. And I have to imagine Kraft isn’t horribly naive. It’s reasonable to have an idea that immigrant women working in an underground brothel might not be free to leave.

Yet a six month sting found nothing and he was charged with a misdemeanor. Odd. Right? If he knew. He should go to jail for life. Still does not impact the product on the field. He doesn't play and KC choked like HRC did in the 2016 election.

Not a great look on your franchise.

Also, even if he didn't do the enslaving, he still used sex slaves, likely with knowledge. If he didn't know, he is oblivious to the world.

So the sting didn't capture him knowing anything? Odd. Maybe he is not an expert on sex slavery like you and bl?

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 3:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 3:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/11/2019 2:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:38:00 PM (view original):
The 77-year-old Kraft was one of 25 people involved in the alleged solicitation at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida.

Solicitation to he was running a sex ring? LOL

The individuals named as having solicited prostitutes could be facing either a first- or second-degree misdemeanor for each count.

Where does it INSINUATE that he knew anything about forced slavery?

And how did they get those prostitutes?

I have no idea. I am sure he had no idea. Do you think all call girls are slaves? This was all new to me as well. Find one article that proves he knew these were slaves. Just one. This was a six month sting and if he was involved they would have known and arrested him on a much heavier charge. You're just still butthurt over the KC choke job.

You’re SURE he had no idea???

He knew the owner. And I have to imagine Kraft isn’t horribly naive. It’s reasonable to have an idea that immigrant women working in an underground brothel might not be free to leave.

Yet a six month sting found nothing and he was charged with a misdemeanor. Odd. Right? If he knew. He should go to jail for life. Still does not impact the product on the field. He doesn't play and KC choked like HRC did in the 2016 election.

I’m not saying he was involved in the slavery. I’m saying he should have had an idea that they were slaves.

I, a guy who had never visited a brother and doesn’t personally know any underground brothel owners, know that a large percentage of underground brothel workers are slaves.

I like you never visited one or know of any had no idea they were slaves. I thought those slaves were in exotic clubs not massage parlors. I don't frequent those clubs for that reason. Even for bachelor parties. No thanks. As a father of two girls I find them in poor taste. Don't care if others go but not for me and hopefully there are more stings. If he knew, he should be in prison for life.

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/11/2019 2:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 3/11/2019 2:14:00 PM (view original):
Put it this way, regardless of whether or not the standard is preponderance of the evidence or above, it seems likely that Trump, in front of an impartial jury, could reasonably be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt for campaign finance violations and fraud related to his charity.

It’s a moot point though, because it wouldn’t be an impartial jury, it would be the Senate. And, absent a tremendous smoking gun, the 2/3 of the Senate will never convict him no matter what.

Bingo! Light dawns on Marblehead

The original question wasn’t “will he be impeached and convicted,” it was “should he be impeached?”

That answer is yes.

Why? If you can't get a conviction it's just political grandstanding, a waste of time, and potentially a waste of political capital. What is the point of that?

If the question is could he be impeached, then maybe the answer is yes. But if the answer to could he be convicted is still no - which I think it is - then the answer to should he be impeached is still 'no.'