Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:09:00 PM (view original):
So I guess we were both right...Campbell's initial refusal shows us he really didn't want to go there, and the fact that the trade happened after that is a testament to the fact that he was in fact tradeable to the Panthers.

Rarely ever does a NTC ever stop a team from eventually dealing a player.

But it did with Campbell. Twice.

Really... that stopped him from 'eventually' getting dealt?

It stopped him, yes, albeit temporarily. That's two reported times. Who knows if he refused other deals in the past, which would in fact have made him untradeable until that specific point in time when he was dealt? That's exactly my point.

6G, 2A in 3 games so far for Saad with Saginaw. If I'm Hawks' management, that's exactly the response I wanted from him after being sent down.

Speaking of prospects, anyone else notice the great starts Beach and Morin have had with Rockford?

Man, thank god for all these "easy" games for the Hawks.

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:09:00 PM (view original):
So I guess we were both right...Campbell's initial refusal shows us he really didn't want to go there, and the fact that the trade happened after that is a testament to the fact that he was in fact tradeable to the Panthers.

Rarely ever does a NTC ever stop a team from eventually dealing a player.

But it did with Campbell. Twice.

Really... that stopped him from 'eventually' getting dealt?

It stopped him, yes, albeit temporarily. That's two reported times. Who knows if he refused other deals in the past, which would in fact have made him untradeable until that specific point in time when he was dealt? That's exactly my point.

So he is untradable until he's traded. Who can argue that logic?

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Man, thank god for all these "easy" games for the Hawks.

No kidding ... have you seen their October schedule?

Flyers have played Boston, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Washington, Ottawa, New Jersey.
Hawks played Dallas twice, Winnipeg, Boston, Phoenix, Colorado.

For comparison.

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:09:00 PM (view original):
So I guess we were both right...Campbell's initial refusal shows us he really didn't want to go there, and the fact that the trade happened after that is a testament to the fact that he was in fact tradeable to the Panthers.

Rarely ever does a NTC ever stop a team from eventually dealing a player.

But it did with Campbell. Twice.

Really... that stopped him from 'eventually' getting dealt?

It stopped him, yes, albeit temporarily. That's two reported times. Who knows if he refused other deals in the past, which would in fact have made him untradeable until that specific point in time when he was dealt? That's exactly my point.

So he is untradable until he's traded. Who can argue that logic?

Ok I'll humor the ridiculousness of this argument a little longer. Since you like hypotheticals so much, let's imagine a league where every team is within 2 million dollars of the cap. A player with a 15 million dollar contract would be untradeable. Until that is a team frees up enough space and hires a GM willing to take him in the off-season. 

In that situation, yes a player was untreadeable until he wasn't.

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Man, thank god for all these "easy" games for the Hawks.

No kidding ... have you seen their October schedule?

Flyers have played Boston, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Washington, Ottawa, New Jersey.
Hawks played Dallas twice, Winnipeg, Boston, Phoenix, Colorado.

For comparison.

Absolutely. I'm thankful moy, cause otherwise they'd surely be 0-6!

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Man, thank god for all these "easy" games for the Hawks.

No kidding ... have you seen their October schedule?

Flyers have played Boston, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Washington, Ottawa, New Jersey.
Hawks played Dallas twice, Winnipeg, Boston, Phoenix, Colorado.

For comparison.

Keep that post. Let's compare October's difficulty at season's end when we see where all the opponents' finish.

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:09:00 PM (view original):
So I guess we were both right...Campbell's initial refusal shows us he really didn't want to go there, and the fact that the trade happened after that is a testament to the fact that he was in fact tradeable to the Panthers.

Rarely ever does a NTC ever stop a team from eventually dealing a player.

But it did with Campbell. Twice.

Really... that stopped him from 'eventually' getting dealt?

It stopped him, yes, albeit temporarily. That's two reported times. Who knows if he refused other deals in the past, which would in fact have made him untradeable until that specific point in time when he was dealt? That's exactly my point.

So he is untradable until he's traded. Who can argue that logic?

Ok I'll humor the ridiculousness of this argument a little longer. Since you like hypotheticals so much, let's imagine a league where every team is within 2 million dollars of the cap. A player with a 15 million dollar contract would be untradeable. Until that is a team frees up enough space and hires a GM willing to take him in the off-season. 

In that situation, yes a player was untreadeable until he wasn't.

But that was DEFINITELY NOT the case in any season of the NHL..... and they could trade other players with bad ckntracts like olesz's back to stay under cap.

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Man, thank god for all these "easy" games for the Hawks.

No kidding ... have you seen their October schedule?

Flyers have played Boston, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Washington, Ottawa, New Jersey.
Hawks played Dallas twice, Winnipeg, Boston, Phoenix, Colorado.

For comparison.

Keep that post. Let's compare October's difficulty at season's end when we see where all the opponents' finish.

Where do those teams rate on your preseason ranking predictions?

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:34:00 PM (view original):
But that was DEFINITELY NOT the case in any season of the NHL..... and they could trade other players with bad ckntracts like olesz's back to stay under cap.

Could would should. That's BS moy. Just admit it. None of us realistically could have truly known if he was really tradeable. How do any of use know that he wasn't offered 25 times over the last two years, with draft picks, and either nixed the deal himself or it was simply refused by the other team? We don't know. That's my point. To prove a prediction true, you need proof, which is unobtainable in this case.

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Man, thank god for all these "easy" games for the Hawks.

No kidding ... have you seen their October schedule?

Flyers have played Boston, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Washington, Ottawa, New Jersey.
Hawks played Dallas twice, Winnipeg, Boston, Phoenix, Colorado.

For comparison.

Keep that post. Let's compare October's difficulty at season's end when we see where all the opponents' finish.

Where do those teams rate on your preseason ranking predictions?

What matters is reality not predictions. Colorado has outplayed every team on that list so far. But I guess their schedule was easy as well right? I guess 5 road wins in a row is a fluke.

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Man, thank god for all these "easy" games for the Hawks.

No kidding ... have you seen their October schedule?

Flyers have played Boston, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Washington, Ottawa, New Jersey.
Hawks played Dallas twice, Winnipeg, Boston, Phoenix, Colorado.

For comparison.

Keep that post. Let's compare October's difficulty at season's end when we see where all the opponents' finish.

Where do those teams rate on your preseason ranking predictions?

Ill show you

Western Conference:

Kings
Canucks
Blackhawks
Sharks
Predators
Red Wings
Ducks Blues
------------------
-Blue Jackets
Flames
Wild
Avalanche
Oilers
Stars
Coyotes

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 10/20/2011 11:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 10/20/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Man, thank god for all these "easy" games for the Hawks.

No kidding ... have you seen their October schedule?

Flyers have played Boston, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Washington, Ottawa, New Jersey.
Hawks played Dallas twice, Winnipeg, Boston, Phoenix, Colorado.

For comparison.

Keep that post. Let's compare October's difficulty at season's end when we see where all the opponents' finish.

Where do those teams rate on your preseason ranking predictions?

What matters is reality not predictions. Colorado has outplayed every team on that list so far. But I guess their schedule was easy as well right? I guess 5 road wins in a row is a fluke.

Pretty sure the hawks commentators said Colorado hadn't been tested during their 5 game win streak.... did you miss that comment?