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Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 7/06/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/05/2009
Lets look at this from another side then. It seems that if you do not use a SS of minimum requirements you get really bad stats from there. My guy played bad at SS. If he played like Jeter I wouldnt be posting!
I think what you are missing is that Jeter plays bad at SS too. Seriously, go look at his numbers - if they gave out (-) plays in MLB, he'd have led the league at SS for most seasons of his career.



Bill James determined that in 2008, Jeter was the worst fielder in the league at any position.



http://www.nypost.com/seven/11042008/sports/yankees/worst_fielder_in_majors_136772.htm
7/6/2009 12:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 7/05/2009In many Worlds, owners sacrifice defense for the bigger bat, so the light-hitting defensive players aren't developed the same way and never get a shot at the bigs
Savvy owners can try to take advantage of this, finding guys at AAA who are MLB ready but might have to platoon, or finding guys at A-ball who are 20ish and have the potential to be outstanding D singles hitters.

7/6/2009 5:25 PM
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Looking over the league as a whole it seems that good defensive SSs are at a serious premium. And most teams are playing sub-par defensive SSs and they are playing the field at a sub par level.

In real life last year 3 major league SSs had over 20 errors. In Alexander their current year 21 SSs had over 20 errors, and 13 had more than anyone in baseball. This is in no way realistic.
7/7/2009 1:29 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 7/06/2009
Swamp, this is balanced somewhat in that the "recommended" ratings actually produce a relatively small number of errors for what you would expect to be "below average" players.

A lot of this also has to do with the lack of fielding instructors.

This is incorrect. SSs in HBD give up far to many errors compared to real life.

If we cannot do real life because of the game engine we can discuss that, but I think that the error engine for SSs should be turned WAY down.
7/7/2009 1:31 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/07/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By leppykahn on 7/06/2009

Swamp, this is balanced somewhat in that the "recommended" ratings actually produce a relatively small number of errors for what you would expect to be "below average" players.

A lot of this also has to do with the lack of fielding instructors.

This is incorrect. SSs in HBD give up far to many errors compared to real life.

If we cannot do real life because of the game engine we can discuss that, but I think that the error engine for SSs should be turned WAY down.

SSs give up more errors, but have the safe fielding percentage (generally).

This is a problem with the number of chances a SS gets, not his relative fielding ability.

The distribution of chances needs to be revisited, imho.
7/7/2009 1:34 PM
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this has been discussed before, but another reason for the seeming high # of errors is bad pitching and bad other fielders. If pitchers aren't getting guys out and other fielders aren't getting to balls that they should, more hitters come to bat and more balls get hit to the SS.
7/7/2009 1:37 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 7/06/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/05/2009
So no one thinks that there are not enough SSs of proper fielding potential being created?
Probably a lot of people think there should be enough All Star shortstops for everyone ... superior Fielding Instructors for everyone (there was a thread on this one) ... 90/90/90/90/90 pitchers for all teams ... home field advantage given to them (a thread on this one, too) ... etc. Plenty of people go through life with their hand held in front of them, palm up.

But if we limit our conversation to HBD ...

Quote: Originally Posted By clutch19 on 7/06/2009
swamphawk i tend to look at admins minimum requirements as what an average defensive player should be to field that position not as what the worst player should be.
Bingo!

Yeah, you don't have a team. Why are you posting here?
7/7/2009 1:37 PM
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Maybe we should have below average SS only make errors on the road, huh swamp?
7/7/2009 3:17 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By gin_caesar on 7/07/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 7/06/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/05/2009
So no one thinks that there are not enough SSs of proper fielding potential being created?
Probably a lot of people think there should be enough All Star shortstops for everyone ... superior Fielding Instructors for everyone (there was a thread on this one) ... 90/90/90/90/90 pitchers for all teams ... home field advantage given to them (a thread on this one, too) ... etc. Plenty of people go through life with their hand held in front of them, palm up.

But if we limit our conversation to HBD ...

Quote: Originally Posted By clutch19 on 7/06/2009
swamphawk i tend to look at admins minimum requirements as what an average defensive player should be to field that position not as what the worst player should be.
Bingo!

Yeah, you don't have a team. Why are you posting here
Snake is one of my old arch-nemesis.
7/7/2009 3:20 PM
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That would imply some sort of e-relationship. Sorry, there isn't even that.
7/7/2009 5:54 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 7/07/2009That would imply some sort of e-relationship. Sorry, there isn't even that
Snake has to act cool, he is afterall named after a very cool guy.

In the old days in the GD forums Snake was generally hated by the "Top Coach Mafia" that used to control the forums. There were even threads that asked to ban him. The only time he ever got a break was when I would go on a crusade, like my successful crusade to bring carryover reform to GD, then people would hate me for a little while. Then it would calm down and they would hate snake again.

Less than a coincidence that both of the forums I started have Snake in them.

7/8/2009 11:19 AM
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In the old days snake used to crush the morons like stepping on a grape on a sidewalk, very intolerant of their moronic posts, swamp's included. Guess what, morons are everywhere, a fact of life. Even swamp resurfaces from time to time. It's no coincidence that I p*ss on your posts if they're dumb enough, and they are. No matter what your dreams are, though, that doesn't constitute a "relationship."

Now, what was the latest crusade, skilled SS's for everybody or something like that? A chicken in every pot? Tippecanoe and Tyler, too?
7/8/2009 12:09 PM
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closed
7/8/2009 12:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 7/08/2009
In the old days snake used to crush the morons like stepping on a grape on a sidewalk, very intolerant of their moronic posts, swamp's included. Guess what, morons are everywhere, a fact of life. Even swamp resurfaces from time to time. It's no coincidence that I p*ss on your posts if they're dumb enough, and they are. No matter what your dreams are, though, that doesn't constitute a "relationship."

Now, what was the latest crusade, skilled SS's for everybody or something like that? A chicken in every pot? Tippecanoe and Tyler, too?



The whole angry attitude is so cute. Everything sucks, everyone is an idiot.

You couldnt even spell crush when we are on the same forum. i used to dance around you like Ali vs a BAD sparring partner. You never have a point, except everything sucks.
7/8/2009 6:31 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By gin_caesar on 7/08/2009
closed

Reopened.

Clearly the creation of defensive specialists at SS is lacking. Also the overall defense of SSs is low. No one seems to care that the stats are off the wall.

This cannot be explained away. No matter what people are doing and developing, there should be more. I am always on the lookout for a young defensive SS. they are never there.
7/8/2009 6:34 PM
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