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I have played a lot of SIM baseball games including Sporting News, Diamond Legends, and other games using Diamond Mind and Strat-O-Matic, I have never played a sim baseball game that has a numerical home field advantage built into the game. All Baseball games I have played the home field advantage is the ability to build your team according to your ball park.

NAME ME 1 BASEBALL GAME where a home field advantage is built into the engine.
7/16/2009 8:41 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by zoobaseball on 7/16/2009if you want homefield advantage, build a team around your park effects. Nice concept

I gotta say, I like the idea tossed out in the other thread of tying a small potential HFA to a player's Makeup/Temper/Patience and the like.

Of course, that might open up the Pandora's Box of using those same ratings to create a 'Clutch' effect in late/close games...
7/16/2009 8:50 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by plague on 7/16/2009I have played a lot of SIM baseball games including Sporting News, Diamond Legends, and other games using Diamond Mind and Strat-O-Matic, I have never played a sim baseball game that has a numerical home field advantage built into the game. All Baseball games I have played the home field advantage is the ability to build your team according to your ball park.

NAME ME 1 BASEBALL GAME where a home field advantage is built into the engine.

Haven't played it in over a decade but I remember Pursue the Pennant having some results that were affected/determined by whether the batter/pitcher/fielder was at home or on the road, beyond familiarity with the stadium dimensions -- things like weather effects, for instance, that aren't apparently currently accounted for in HBD.
7/16/2009 9:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 7/16/2009
Quote: Originally posted by zoobaseball on 7/16/2009 if you want homefield advantage, build a team around your park effects. Nice concept

I gotta say, I like the idea tossed out in the other thread of tying a small potential HFA to a player's Makeup/Temper/Patience and the like.

Of course, that might open up the Pandora's Box of using those same ratings to create a 'Clutch' effect in late/close games..
If HBD goes down that road, you can expect my involvement with this site to disappear.
7/17/2009 6:35 AM
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I bet he hasn't even thought of how you approximate a Wednesday crowd against the Nationals versus a Sunday crowd against the Cardinals (Reds fan here)...
7/17/2009 7:53 AM
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The dominator supports the implementation of HFA in HBD!! Real life has it, why can't HBD?!

Hail Hail PeteC!!!
7/17/2009 4:18 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 7/16/2009
Quote: Originally posted by zoobaseball on 7/16/2009if you want homefield advantage, build a team around your park effects. Nice concept
I gotta say, I like the idea tossed out in the other thread of tying a small potential HFA to a player's Makeup/Temper/Patience and the like.

Of course, that might open up the Pandora's Box of using those same ratings to create a 'Clutch' effect in late/close games...

It's a good idea--and so is the clutch effect. I'm with Swamp--it's ridiculous that there's no home-field advantage, other than picking the ballpark.
7/17/2009 6:46 PM
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Is it ridiculous? Or unfortunate?

I think the very notion of "clutch" ridiculous, but then I'm both a math nerd and well-read.

I think the absence of some quantifiable, admin-admitted "home field advantage" is unfortunate. Because there IS a home field advantage, it is just not obvious. And I find that unfortunate, because it means I feel compelled to respond to threads like this one.
7/17/2009 8:38 PM
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Let us examine the ballpark as HFA.

How many parks in a league are almost the same. If you build your team to win in your park, it will also win in other parks like yours. It eliminates the other teams HFA.

What if you get a new team. The last coach did a poor job of building for his park. The frist few seasons you need to build them back. Teams in stadiums like yours who have build for their park come to your park and BAM! you have a home field Disadvantage!

Home field advantage is real, tangible and needed.

Home Field Advantage, Good for you...Good for me...And good for HBD!!
7/17/2009 8:39 PM
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I want to remind everyone again to write a ticket about this issue.

There are forces uniting to keep you down. They want to keep you quiet. They dont respond to the issue, they just laugh at you for wanting something as fundemental to sports as Home Field Advantage. You notice that the other side made their voice heard, stand up loud and proud and let WIS know that this outrage must be corrected.

"Freedom of speech can be taken away and dumb and silent we will be led like sheep to the slaughter" George Washington

Home Field Advantage, Good for you, Good for me...And good for HBD!!
7/17/2009 8:56 PM
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Seriously, rather than lobby for a "home field advantage" (a.k.a. "something for nothing"), why not just put in a little more effort to try to make your team just a little bit better than the other guy's? That will have the same net effect (more wins for you), and you'll feel much better about yourself in the morning.
7/17/2009 9:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/17/2009
Let us examine the ballpark as HFA. OK. Teams build their own ballparks. They try to build the best team that fits their park with some flexibility for other parks. The can use their ballpark-tailored lineup to their advantage, especially playing a near equal talent level team from a dissimilar ballpark

How many parks in a league are almost the same. If you build your team to win in your park, it will also win in other parks like yours. It eliminates the other teams HFA. So what. It happens in reverse too.

What if you get a new team. The last coach did a poor job of building for his park. The frist few seasons you need to build them back. Teams in stadiums like yours who have build for their park come to your park and BAM! you have a home field Disadvantage! That can happen and it is not a problem. A superior team should be able to win regardless of location. When the Tigers moved from a hitters park to a pitchers park, it took some time for them to get a team that could use CoPa to their advantage.

Home field advantage is real, tangible and needed. HFA is negligible, intangible, unquantifiable, and completely unecessary

Home Field Advantage, Good for you...Good for me...And good for HBD!! Totally incorrect

7/17/2009 11:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/17/2009
I want to remind everyone again to write a ticket about this issue.

There are forces uniting to keep you down. They want to keep you quiet. They dont respond to the issue, they just laugh at you for wanting something as fundemental to sports as Home Field Advantage. You notice that the other side made their voice heard, stand up loud and proud and let WIS know that this outrage must be corrected.

"Freedom of speech can be taken away and dumb and silent we will be led like sheep to the slaughter" George Washington

Home Field Advantage, Good for you, Good for me...And good for HBD!!

Here is my ticket...



As a former participant in HBD who will be looking to use his remaining season shortly, I would like to address an issue that is being discussed in the forum. Please do not add home field advantage to the game. It is not needed, not necessary and should not even be considered.

Thank you
7/17/2009 11:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/17/2009Seriously, rather than lobby for a "home field advantage" (a.k.a. "something for nothing"), why not just put in a little more effort to try to make your team just a little bit better than the other guy's? That will have the same net effect (more wins for you), and you'll feel much better about yourself in the morning.
Thats his MO to a tee
7/17/2009 11:10 PM
swamphawk22
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Quote: Originally Posted By bfkfraser on 7/17/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/17/2009
Seriously, rather than lobby for a "home field advantage" (a.k.a. "something for nothing"), why not just put in a little more effort to try to make your team just a little bit better than the other guy's? That will have the same net effect (more wins for you), and you'll feel much better about yourself in the morning.
Thats his MO to a te
I am not horrible at the game. Made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years, above average.

Again you are not getting something for nothing. No one coach is going to benefit from this, only the game itself will benefit from added realism and a deeper richer strategic option level.
7/18/2009 1:54 AM
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