I like the idea. It might not be how I would design the scoring system, but I'm NOT playing in it so who cares. Hopefully you'll keep us updated.

Actually I will be surprised if anybody hits the threshhold by season III. These teams are pretty barren. The farm systems have been neglected and there are bad contracts to be dealt with. Combine all that with a competitive established league and getting a 56 win team to 81 and building a competitive farm system that should help substain the improvment at the same time isn't going to happen in 2 years.

Sadly, no jelly beans and while it may sound easy enough, Skid22 looked at last years teams and only 11 of them qualified for enough ML wins and total points, 8 teams in the AL and 3 in the NL.

Here are last year's record of our two teams:

Jax: ML: 56-106 AAA: 69-75 AA: 26-118 HiA: 40-104 LoA: 31-113 R: 33-43

Pitt: ML 58-104 AAA: 67-77 AA: 59-85 HiA: 58-86 LoA: 56-88 R: 9-67

Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 8/27/2009
actually, the entire point system seems to be a weird, arbitrary tiebreaker.

win 81 games in S1 and have your minor league teams cumulatively a few games above .500 and you win the challenge

it's pretty much impossible to not hit the threshold by S2, so it basically becomes a race to an 81 win season at that point.

It's not impossible dean, all they have to do to miss 1200 points is duplicate what you did this past season with Las Vegas.

91 ML wins earns 455 points.
67 AAA wins earns 201 points.
67 AA wins earns 201 points.
80 High A wins earns 160 points.
59 Low A wins earns 118 points.
27 Rookie wins earns 54 points.

So, for example, your most recently completed season earned only 1189 points - short of the 1200 they are aiming for - and you've had that franchise for 4 seasons now.

And yes, I'm sure you "weren't trying" to win minor league games, right? Because that's the best way to build a franchise...

... or did you just not read it correctly and see it says "Winner will be whoever scores more than 1200 pts in a season first," (emphasis added)?

My team also has $27M on the books for two players who were released by the previous owner to deal with.

I like tha idea guys, and I especially like the idea of including some value for the minor league teams so that you are more likely to build sustainable franchises instead of merely overpaying ML FA and sacrificing whatever prospects you do have for veteran talent in an effort to "win now" and bail.

Best of luck to you both.

oh, it's 1200 in a season? i was thinking cumulatively.

in that case- the system really sucks. if you can win 90+ ML games and have minor league teams w/o fatigue issues and not hit the target, that's just stupid.

Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 8/27/2009oh, it's 1200 in a season? i was thinking cumulatively.

in that case- the system really sucks. if you can win 90+ ML games and have minor league teams w/o fatigue issues and not hit the target, that's just stupid

I think that's sort of the point - to make it a challenge. Winning at every level isn't an automatic thing, and I like the idea it is encouraged here. That will help turn the franchises around long-term.

uhhh, not really. just load up on quality AAA guys who aren't good enough for the majors. they'll never actually help your team, but they'll get you points by racking up minor league wins!

my Las Vegas team was also totally bereft of anything, pros and prospects alike. fortunately, i didn't have any bad contracts, but i think most would agree that i accomplished the goal of rebuilding the team at a very fast pace.

i probably haven't hit 1200 pts in a season yet though. does this mean that i should have greater goals in my rebuilding phase that i have yet to hit?

Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 8/27/2009
uhhh, not really. just load up on quality AAA guys who aren't good enough for the majors. they'll never actually help your team, but they'll get you points by racking up minor league wins!

my Las Vegas team was also totally bereft of anything, pros and prospects alike. fortunately, i didn't have any bad contracts, but i think most would agree that i accomplished the goal of rebuilding the team at a very fast pace.

i probably haven't hit 1200 pts in a season yet though. does this mean that i should have greater goals in my rebuilding phase that i have yet to hit?

I don't know, that's a personal choice. Were you in some sort of competition yourself with set goals (like this one)? If so, that's what you should look at to see if you've hit them.

If you mean more abstractly, then yes, you should have greater goals for your Las Vegas franchise. You've had a great deal of success turning it around in the regular season at the ML level. Perhaps the greater goal now should be a playoff series win or something?

Just because 1200 points under the scoring system these two have chosen isn't exactly what you strive for doesn't mean that theirs is not a decent idea and a nice added "bragging rights" motivation to turn a franchise around from the ground up.

I'd like to hear from the competitors about what their assessments of their teams are. From my quick perusal, they're interesting but differing challenges. Pittsburgh has a clear jump on developing MiL talent (as I recall they did nab a real potential ace SP in last year's draft), but Jacksonville has better ML talent (albeit the dead salary he mentioned).

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i can't help the fact that my team is full of chokers in the playoffs.

anyway, the point is that nobody strives for minor league wins, which makes them easy to attain if that's what you're going for. and "braggin rights" over minor league wins are about on par with braggin rights over who has the hairiest balls. just not too much you can do with that.