Recruiting at a Distance - Needs Fixed Topic

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Quote: Originally posted by sully712 on 10/08/2009My point is more that I think distance has too much of an impact.  That is basically what I am trying to say.

Fair enough.

I am with Daalter on this one though. It is not realistic, but it "works" for HD.

However, if someone has a better mouse trap, I am all ears.
10/8/2009 2:28 PM
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I never said get rid of distance altogether and I wouldnt want that. I was just surprised by how much more I spent with relatively even prestige and still lost. If this is how it is, I can live with it, I just never knew, thats all. I'm just trying to learn more about the game.
10/8/2009 2:33 PM
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Quick Recruiting Fix:

Step 1 - Boost Considering Credit
Step 2 - Drastically Lower Distance Costs
Step 3 - FSS for Internationals
Step 4 - Reduce costs on FSS
Step 5 - More variety in recruit generation


What are the results? Top flight schools start looking nationwide for recruits. Many more unexpected battles occur for 5 star talent. In the mean time, Mid-Majors start to get on the 3 Star / 4 Star guys. With increased Considering Credit, it's harder for the power programs to drop back and rip away recruits.

10/8/2009 2:39 PM
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I like what you have to say and I agree mlat. I was telling mmt that if you reduce the cost for distance and big schools try to get recruits cross country, I think there will be more battles, not less.
10/8/2009 2:43 PM
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I'm surprised that you thought 35k was enough to land that kid vs a higher prestige school in their own backyard. I honestly feel the way they've set things up is the best system in terms of keeping things equal across the board. Its not perfect, and there are going to be spots that are better than others, but overall it works pretty well.

regarding the feeder school system, it sounds great on paper, but they'd also have to revamp where HS kids come from. DeMatha in DC has produced a ton of talent thru the years, same as Oak Hill and many other schools. In HD its all kind of random (to an extent I guess) such that I've seen some schools local to me w/ high D1 prospects in HD that I'm not even sure have a basketball program in real life, and if so, not one that would ever produce anything resembling a big time basketball program. I'd be more in favor of keeping the current HS system (which is mainly window dressing) and installing some sort of "recruiting area" bonus, ie if you've spent your career coaching in and around the state of north carolina, and have always kept your recruiting in and around the state, when you finally land that big gig down at the University of Georgia, you'll have a little bit of street cred in the state of North Carolina to allow you to compete a little better vs UNC for that top talent.

Perhaps rather than breaking it down by state, perhaps you'd get credit for recruiting in different regions, ie Southeast, northeast, great Lakes region, Midwest, etc... You could also tie into FSS when scouting and perhaps you get a discount for scouting a whole region rather than going to all the states w/n that region collectively.
10/8/2009 2:47 PM
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There will absolutely be more battles. Right now, a lot of coaches know the needs of their local competition and do their best to put themselves into optimal position. If we make it so that a kid in NY has an equal or near equal chance to end up at Syracuse, UNC and UCLA, then you're going to find those big dogs butting heads way more often.

But I think the other steps have to happen as well. It has to be cheap to scout the entire country or at least give us some discounted regional purchasing power. (North East, Pacific Coast, Plains States, etc) Also, Internationals need to be scoutable. No top school in their right mind is taking a shot on a 4 star international, when they know EXACTLY what they are getting from their local recruit.
10/8/2009 2:49 PM
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LoL, nice call on the regions Taz.
10/8/2009 2:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sully712 on 10/08/2009dalter - I have generally not recruited outside of 200 miles besides internationals. I know it seems odd with so many games but I've generally stayed local. I always knew there was a distance advantage, I just didnt know it was this big
That's fine, but it's really simple to see what it costs at various distances. Even the smallest amount of strategy/due diligence before you set out to battle for the kid would've given you all the info that you needed.
10/8/2009 2:51 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mlatsko1 on 10/08/2009

Quick Recruiting Fix:

Step 1 - Boost Considering Credit
Step 2 - Drastically Lower Distance Costs
Step 3 - FSS for Internationals
Step 4 - Reduce costs on FSS
Step 5 - More variety in recruit generation


What are the results? Top flight schools start looking nationwide for recruits. Many more unexpected battles occur for 5 star talent. In the mean time, Mid-Majors start to get on the 3 Star / 4 Star guys. With increased Considering Credit, it's harder for the power programs to drop back and rip away recruits.

mlat, I'm not so sure that's how it would play out.

Right now, a lot of the battles that happen are because there are only a finite amount of top-flight talent in a certain area, so if (for example) Iowa and Wisconsin both need a stud pf, a battle is often unavoidable.

But if Iowa can all of the sudden say, "Hmmm, I can get another 5-star kid just as good in New Mexico without battling Wisconsin", there could be fewer battles.

You may counter by saying, "And if several teams have that approach, there could be a battle for the NM pf". And that's potentially true as well. But there are a lot of variables here, and I definitely don't think the result would be as cut-and-dried as you seem to.

Right now there are a lot of non-BCS schools able to sign really strong local talent in large part because it's not possible for better schools to come in from other parts of the country. Your proposal would jeopardize that.

I'm not sure, but I think your proposal would actually end up being better for the big boys, worse for the little guys. (And I'm not even saying that's bad; it would certainly be more like real life. Whether it's good or bad really depends on what you think is good for the game overall.)
10/8/2009 2:58 PM
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The more I think about it, I think your proposal would end up hurting the little guys. Especially these days, with potential making many 3- and 4-stars as good to recruit as 5-stars, A smart coach at Michigan State isn't gonna elect to battle UCLA for a stud pf in Maine if he can sign a 3/4-star with high potential from Flint.
10/8/2009 3:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mlatsko1 on 10/08/2009
Quick Recruiting Fix:

Step 1 - Boost Considering Credit
Step 2 - Drastically Lower Distance Costs
Step 3 - FSS for Internationals
Step 4 - Reduce costs on FSS
Step 5 - More variety in recruit generation


What are the results? Top flight schools start looking nationwide for recruits. Many more unexpected battles occur for 5 star talent. In the mean time, Mid-Majors start to get on the 3 Star / 4 Star guys. With increased Considering Credit, it's harder for the power programs to drop back and rip away recruits.







I think that is going to get really good here in the new update. I have heard some really good things so far.
10/8/2009 3:18 PM
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10/8/2009 3:20 PM
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What do you mean zhawks?
10/8/2009 3:23 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 10/08/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By mlatsko1 on 10/08/2009

Quick Recruiting Fix:

Step 1 - Boost Considering Credit
Step 2 - Drastically Lower Distance Costs
Step 3 - FSS for Internationals
Step 4 - Reduce costs on FSS
Step 5 - More variety in recruit generation


What are the results? Top flight schools start looking nationwide for recruits. Many more unexpected battles occur for 5 star talent. In the mean time, Mid-Majors start to get on the 3 Star / 4 Star guys. With increased Considering Credit, it's harder for the power programs to drop back and rip away recruits.








I think that is going to get really good here in the new update. I have heard some really good things so far.
I think it's playing out already, in terms of the variety of skill sets. I just set my board for Tark tonight... and let's just say that it wasn't anywhere close to as deep as previous seasons.
10/8/2009 3:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mlatsko1 on 10/08/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 10/08/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By mlatsko1 on 10/08/2009

Quick Recruiting Fix:

Step 1 - Boost Considering Credit
Step 2 - Drastically Lower Distance Costs
Step 3 - FSS for Internationals
Step 4 - Reduce costs on FSS
Step 5 - More variety in recruit generation


What are the results? Top flight schools start looking nationwide for recruits. Many more unexpected battles occur for 5 star talent. In the mean time, Mid-Majors start to get on the 3 Star / 4 Star guys. With increased Considering Credit, it's harder for the power programs to drop back and rip away recruits.








I think that is going to get really good here in the new update. I have heard some really good things so far.
I think it's playing out already, in terms of the variety of skill sets. I just set my board for Tark tonight... and let's just say that it wasn't anywhere close to as deep as previous seasons
They haven't implimeneted anythingyet to my knowledge, but the way they go about generating the recruits is going to be changed a bit and should create quite a different variety of players, as opposed to know where very C looks the same, every pf looks the same... every sg looking the same...
10/8/2009 3:35 PM
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