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I think it's very unrealistic to say that a n00b could draft 900 innings and have the team be competitive.
10/13/2009 5:38 PM
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Nobody stated that they care about the noob being competetive that I'm aware of.
10/13/2009 5:40 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by boogerlips on 10/13/2009Nobody stated that they care about the noob being competetive that I'm aware of.

dashdebater said, and I quote:

The floor should have been 900. Thats enough to keep noobs from going 2-160 and guarunteeing the wild card coming from their division. There is no other reason to have a floor other than that. Anything over 900 takes away from the strategy ability of owners. You're basically turning chess into checkers, or in other words decomplecting the game and adding more parity.

I tend to agree with that.
10/13/2009 5:57 PM
llamanunts
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Sure, but I think you'd also tend to agree that 2-160 isn't competitive.
10/13/2009 5:59 PM
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Holy crap!!! 1250! Get ready for the massive rain of Gilmores hitting the wire, day after day...

I appreciate the sentiment of trying to save noobs from themselves, but this is way off the map.
10/13/2009 6:00 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by biglenr on 10/13/2009Gents....(1) - It applies to every owner.  The other 23 teams also have to have 1250 IP.  So it doesn't throw off the competitive balance.  If you only need 1150, then buy the worst 100 IP guy you can, and spend your money elsewhere.(2) - This is an interim step... They are going to change the way pitchers fatigue to use PC within games, and IP within season.  So it will take pretty much the same amount of IP to play in Coors or Safeco.  This is 6 months off, but it is a needed fix.I'm really behind this change. 

1. Why should I be forced to draft 100 IP that I don't need and won't use? Why shouldn't I be able to spend that money elsewhere?

2. Pretty much the same amount of IP to play in Coors or Safeco? That doesn't make any sense. It may be a great idea, but it doesn't make any sense.

10/13/2009 6:03 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by contrarian23 on 10/13/2009I'm not sure what the right floor is (I don't think I've ever drafted fewer than 1200 IP so it will have minimal impact on my drafting strategy).  I will say, however, that if this reduces the overwhelming tendency of owners to choose Astrodome, Safeco, Petco compared to neutral or hittersparks, then that is a good thing in my opinion.  Doesn't mean the idea on the whole is a good one.

This is the context in which a floor that high begins to make sense. If you don't want extreme pitchers parks to be used, this seems like a good backdoor way to do that.

10/13/2009 6:04 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by houseofbayne on 10/13/2009Would those who do not like a minimum IP requirement instead be in favor of putting a price tag on the ballparks?  Just curious.  It seems unfair that one could draft less IP, less PA's, more quality, and then on top of it play in a ballpark (like Petco or Safeco) that alters outcomes more than any other park.  Introducing the great equalizer, minimums for IP and PA's.  I think that something needed to be done, although I can't decide on what the definitive answer would be.

I wouldn't automatically be opposed to that, but then I'm not opposed to a minimum IP requirement. I just don't think it makes any sense at all to have it the same in all ballparks, unless you're trying to discourage the use of pitchers' parks.

In a neutral park in a relevant league, 1250 IP might be around what many non-noob owners would draft. To set that as a minimum, for all parks, seems wacky.

10/13/2009 6:06 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by yogsloth on 10/13/2009Holy crap!!!  1250!  Get ready for the massive rain of Gilmores hitting the wire, day after day... I appreciate the sentiment of trying to save noobs from themselves, but this is way off the map.

This change isn't about newbies.
10/13/2009 6:06 PM
llamanunts
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Side issue:

I have 1275 IP.
I want to drop two 40 IP RPs to pick up a 60 IP RP, leaving me with 1255 IP.
I can't.

10/13/2009 6:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jfranco77 on 10/13/2009

Quote: Originally posted by boogerlips on 10/13/2009
Nobody stated that they care about the noob being competetive that I'm aware of.

dashdebater said, and I quote:

The floor should have been 900. Thats enough to keep noobs from going 2-160 and guarunteeing the wild card coming from their division. There is no other reason to have a floor other than that. Anything over 900 takes away from the strategy ability of owners. You're basically turning chess into checkers, or in other words decomplecting the game and adding more parity.

I tend to agree with that.

Yup, you're drunk. Thats my quote and nobody elses. And I agree with myself. 900 innings would keep a noob near 60 wins, which in turn would make the wildcard race fair. I could care less about whether the noob is actually competetive. (60 wins is not competetive)
10/13/2009 6:19 PM
llamanunts
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There's no way a noob would sniff 60 wins with 900 IP. A noob doesn't know what the hell to do with 900IP.
10/13/2009 6:21 PM
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What do you guys think the mins should be? I've read quite a few within this thread?

Thanks
10/13/2009 6:24 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by llamanunts on 10/13/2009There's no way a noob would sniff 60 wins with 900 IP. A noob doesn't know what the hell to do with 900IP.

That's what I'm trying to say too. It's not only about the n00bs, it's also about you getting screwed out of the WC because someone else has a n00b with 900 innings in their division, and that n00b wins 23 games.

I am not a n00b and I am not convinced *I* could win 60 games with 900ip, unless I put an all A+++++ team in Petco, and even then I'm not sure.
10/13/2009 6:25 PM
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900 would keep the wildcard race fair. Thats my vote. If you creep over a 1000, you're messing with usable and strategic territory.
10/13/2009 6:26 PM
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