not if he has proper staminas and durabilities.

a 35/75 guy can toss two innings every other game. so if you assume that one of them will get roughed up every now and then, he probably uses 5 pitchers a game. that leaves two extra guys in reserve who can give 3 innings easy at any time. so you have a 15 inning game, you use 7 pitchers and you still have 5 (maybe more if extra inning guys were extra rested) fresh for the next game.

back to back 15 inning games may be problem, but they would be for any staff.

I think, why don't teams in real life do it? There must be a reason, and if the consequences that prevent it from happening in RL aren't in HBD, it is up to the devs to add it.

Aside from that, im all for players pushing the boundaries of the game and trying new strategies. Even if only to illustrate the shortcomings of the sim and help WIS improve it!

I'm not sure you couldn't do this in MLB-- if I recall correctly Tony Larussa tried something vaguely similar for a few weeks about 15 -20 years ago, and the idea got media-roasted out of existence.

One of the things about a sim is that there's no "sit on your ***, spit tobacco, and nod at stupid things" culture to stop you from trying physiologically feasible stuff that overpaid players and alcohol-demented sportswriters would whine out of existence in MLB. We don't actually know whether pitchers' arms would respond well or badly to this. It may be a sim flaw-- or it may be a flaw in MLB pitcher usage.

In either case, I got no problem with it. I should've invested the time to do it when I took over the team that csherwood mentioned above.

Anyone who has more than a couple of platoons is misuing roster spots. I don't really see the "advantage" he's getting from it unless teams have too many platoons. All of us seek the undervalued player to sign cheap. He found a way to do it, find a way to make him pay for it.

As for whether I "like" it, I don't spend much time assessing how others run their teams. You can't collude with yourself. I'd be more concerned if he was doing it and winning 42 games a season.

the team in question is zbrent's metropolis world team.

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then he had 7 RP's with 80+ IP. highest ERA among them was 3.57. four of them were under 3.

Quote: Originally posted by hardcorerobo on 12/11/2009I think, why don't teams in real life do it? There must be a reason, and if the consequences that prevent it from happening in RL aren't in HBD, it is up to the devs to add it.

Aside from that, im all for players pushing the boundaries of the game and trying new strategies. Even if only to illustrate the shortcomings of the sim and help WIS improve it!

agree. And... maybe some teams should try it in RL, but baseball (even more than other sports--but other sports too) is very wrapped up in tradition. It's very easy for someone to get fired over doing something viewed as "insane" because it's never been done before. So managers are consequently less likely to go to something like that, even if they could.

The bigger reason I think it doesn't happen in RL is because people are afraid to run guys out there as often as they would have to. There are no health %age ratings in RL, and even if you know a guy has good durability...you still don't want to be the cause of a guy's arm falling off.

So I think the important difference here is that we have values for health that are very concrete, unlike RL. I didn't have a problem w/the strategy before...but after thinking about it and realizing a big reason it can happen is because we have health %ages in WIS...I REALLY have no problem with it. He's simply using one of the diffs that's 100% required (health %age) to his advantage

Agreed it ain't cheating. The system does allow it. But it is a thin line. If the guys he is choosing to be his SPs are his only ies and the rest of the BP is RH then.....

Cause I (as do many others) consider it unethical to do the Low PC on a y SP and have some RH pitching behind him (or the reverse). The worlds I'm in, if an owner did that... they'd be 'outed' darn quick.

Managers don't get fired for winning. They get fired for losing or if players have their arms fly off delivering a pitch. So, if they want to do something unconventional, they need to make sure it works.

Nolan Ryan has started a top to bottom organizational change with pitchers. They are expected to pitch not leave the game after 6 innings. I think, if he sticks around long enough, the Rangers will change the way pitching works. Assuming they win and don't kill every arm in the organization.

Live Link to the team page.

Last season no pitcher was over 129 IP (leading RP was 127.2 IP) with 10 guys total over 90 IP.

The World in general has very poor SP, and at franchise creation, this was my "ace" SP - Link, but I had some nasty pen arms, and the only solid FA available for under $10M per were RP, so I ran with it.

And, as far as the platoon issue, I'm on record as not having a problem with that either, but as you can see here, my SP this season were one RH and one LH (with my spot/inning eaters being y) and the pen had 3 LH and the rest RH, so I didn't get much of an advantage based on platoons, if any at all.

Just because you're on record as not opposing something doesn't mean it's not cheating.

When I did it in Clemens, I had multiple 70+ Dur, 30+ STA relievers with great stuff. Most teams are lucky to get one of these guys on the roster.

here is a thought for those trying to "beat" him - increase your pinch hitting frequency when you play him. This way simmy is more likely to pinch hit your other half of your platoon. Also, assuming his bullpen is balanced fairly even between righties and ies, there is an equal chance that the first reliever you face is going to be the same hand thrower as the starter. I dont know that simmy looks at rightie or ie when choosing a Long Relief guy.

The best way to beat him though is to build a team with a solid lineup that doesnt rely on platoons. I havent used platoons at all for quite some time - theonly time I look at which hand my opponent's next starter throws with is when choosing which of several choices to use when giving one of my regulars a day off.

for what it's worth, i'm generally lucky to have one guy who's good for 80+ IP and an ERA < 4

in 5 seasons of regulars world, i have a relief ace who's good for 120 IP and a 3.5ish ERA every year and i just had a rookie throw 78 with a 2.95 ERA. in S12 i had a couple guys barely throw 80 with a barely sub-4 ERA.

in 4 seasons of GAP, never had a RP with an 80+ IP and a sub-4 ERA.

in 2 seasons of MG, i've only had michael kyung do it with 156 IP and a 3.63 ERA. and he costs me $7M/year.

so basically, it's not that easy to assemble a staff of relievers who can pitch significant IP and be highly effective. so this is a strategy that anyone can do, but not anyone can succeed with.

Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 12/11/2009Live Link to the team page.

Last season no pitcher was over 129 IP (leading RP was 127.2 IP) with 10 guys total over 90 IP.

The World in general has very poor SP, and at franchise creation, this was my "ace" SP - Link, but I had some nasty pen arms, and the only solid FA available for under $10M per were RP, so I ran with it

So, you stole my idea and ran with it? Bastard.

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