Quote: Originally Posted By gillispie on 12/21/2009
i only really know the press, but there (regardless of offense), i would take spd over ath in my sg and pg, and its not even close. i would take spd over ath in my sf, and its still not really close, but closer than my 1 and 2.

ditto

okay zee, youand some others seem to be thinking the question is:
"would you totally ignore ath for sp or vice versa?"

that's not what were saying.

We are saying..

two similar players,
one is 60ath, 40sp,
the other is 40ath, 60sp

which one do you want?

and does your answer change as we look at the five different positions on the court?

and does it change as we look at different offenses and defenses?


if the numbers dont fit your sensibilities then adjust them as you like, but keep the 20 spread.

one of the most interesting, i think, is:
in D1, which do you prefer for your junior-SF:
75ath, 95sp
or
95ath, 75sp
?

and does FB offense and/or press give you different answer?

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 12/20/2009Who says I can't have it all?! jk

I still don't think I can pick either ole d. Ath, while important, without sufficient speed the player, imo, wouldn't be that great.

so, zeee.. do you just add ath and sp togher and take the player with the highest total?

i just dont see how you guys have not come across these types of decisions in recruiting. There have to have been some times when you were forced to settle for a slower or less athletic player than what you really wanted... especially in D2 and d3. so in those spots, when push comes to shove... which do you prefer for your sg and especially SF?

Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 12/21/2009okay zee, youand some others seem to be thinking the question is:
"would you totally ignore ath for sp or vice versa?"

that's not what were saying.

We are saying..

two similar players,
one is 60ath, 40sp,
the other is 40ath, 60sp

which one do you want?

and does your answer change as we look at the five different positions on the court?

and does it change as we look at different offenses and defenses?


if the numbers dont fit your sensibilities then adjust them as you like, but keep the 20 spread.

one of the most interesting, i think, is:
in D1, which do you prefer for your junior-SF:
75ath, 95sp
or
95ath, 75sp
?

and does FB offense and/or press give you different answer?

All else being equal I would choose him.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 12/21/2009

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 12/20/2009 Who says I can't have it all?! jk

I still don't think I can pick either ole d. Ath, while important, without sufficient speed the player, imo, wouldn't be that great.

so, zeee.. do you just add ath and sp togher and take the player with the highest total?

i just dont see how you guys have not come across these types of decisions in recruiting. There have to have been some times when you were forced to settle for a slower or less athletic player than what you really wanted... especially in D2 and d3. so in those spots, when push comes to shove... which do you prefer for your sg and especially SF

In all honesty, no I haven't had a problem finding guys that meet my criteria, although to be fair it has been a while since I have coached d2. If at d1 and I can't find a kid that i want i'll gladly take a walkon.

since i cant get it out of zeedude directly, i took a look at his teams.

illinois has 5 frosh and 3 of them are gaurds. i would not think they will all be PGs.

and in those gaurds it is clear that zee prefers speed. by a long shot.

there is no way that he would have taken those gaurds if thier sp and ath were reversed.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 12/21/2009since i cant get it out of zeedude directly, i took a look at his teams.

illinois has 5 frosh and 3 of them are gaurds. i would not think they will all be PGs.

and in those gaurds it is clear that zee prefers speed. by a long shot.

there is no way that he would have taken those gaurds if thier sp and ath were reversed.

Actually I did want to get 2 sg's and 2 pg's but I couldn't find anything that fit my system well as a 2nd sg so I had to get 3 pg's...

And didn't I say before that I would pick that 95 spd guy? I thought I answered your question... Sorry. Obviously I would love to have both and would pay to have both if it were possible.

Again I think it is a very fine line in big men, as you notice I don't recruit centers and there is a very good reason for that.

At DIII, I look for speed in the guards and ath in the post. If I can get a guard that also has good ath so much the better.