zhawks, I've got to agree with most of these posters. You are obviously a knowledgeable coach with a lot to offer the new coaches/forums. However, your method of delivery screams 'the new vegaskevin.' I didn't take anything namshub initially posted as a shot at you or your knowledge. He was simply asking for some reference.

First off there wasn't anything until you started it. I didn't say anything other then you can believe whatever you want I am not going to stop you. Ok moving on.

I said that from what I have noticed during recruiting I have never seen any significant correlation between the money spent on an InEl recruit and whether or not he signs on or goes JuCo. Using information from my past recruiting, my past coaching of other coaches, sitemails, the research I do each recruiting season, what have you and coupling that with the numerous posts I have witnessed about coaches spending 10, 20, 30 and upwords on a player who ends up going JuCo, I come to my conclusion.

I thought that by saying: I have never seen any true correlation between recruiting effort spent on an ineligible and him showing/not showing up. That coupled with numerous threads of coaches upset that they spent 10s of thousands of dollars on a recruit that didn't show up. I had covered it, apparently not? I thought that would be sufficient.

bye

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 12/29/2009gil I agree and I apologize I am just sick of answering peoples questions / ideas or giving advice and then getting rude responses back because they didn't agree with me. My apologies I will try and not take it as personally.

thanks! i appreciate the fact that you put in the effort to help others, especially newbies, more than 99% of the coaches out there (even if some others do not). on the taking it personal bit, i think the problem is often that people don't fully understand you... and they are asking follow up questions you have already answered from the perspective of a coach who knows what is going on, but the problem is, the guy who is asking you is not one of those coaches. i feel its mostly misunderstanding... i really believe well over 95% of the posters on here have good intentions. if we could all cut each other a little slack and assume the best, it would go a long way.

i remember one thread in particular in which i bullheadedly argued against a fair number of veteran coaches, including the most respected of them all, and even though i still feel strongly about my position, i am not proud of some of the things i said. but, i don't think anybody holds that against me today. i think there is a lot of tolerance for past actions for anybody who in the long run is in good faith trying to contribute in a positive way. there are a lot of coaches who are sarcastic today, like i said before, i am not trying to point any fingers. but i would like to point out that pretty much nobody will hold anything against you if you would extend the olive branch :)

to be clear, i am NOT talking about zhawks in the last part above. he has a hell of a track record helping people and has nothing to "make up for" so to speak, at least in my mind. and i agree with him completely, some people really are not grateful for the help they are given, which is the root of the problem. i think it decreases the number of vets who are willing to come out and help people out. it is just not worth it when it is not appreciated. so some people would do well to remember their manners when somebody is trying to help them.

"so if you meet me, have some courtesy, have some sympathy, and some taste. use all your well-learned politesse, or i'll lay your soul to waste"

Zhawks shmehawks.

in my opinion, based on my experience recruiting nonqualifiers.....ooops will stop there, I have no hard facts or official revelations

I asked the question of CS last year and here was the response:

If I recruit an Ineligible player at the DI level, is there any guide as to which ones go JuCo and which ones sign? Is it just random or does it depend on money spent, school prestige, player rank etc.


4/6/2008 10:24 PM Customer Support


There is no way to know if they will go JUCO or not, but spending more money can help.

zhawks may be right, that it is a waste of money to pile extra money on an ineligible, but CS says it MAY help. That being said, I signed a 4 star ineligible with hardly any effort and in my sampling over the past few seasons, over 75% of ineligibles stay with the team.

Quote: Originally Posted By jetsons on 12/29/2009I asked the question of CS last year and here was the response:

If I recruit an Ineligible player at the DI level, is there any guide as to which ones go JuCo and which ones sign? Is it just random or does it depend on money spent, school prestige, player rank etc.


4/6/2008 10:24 PM Customer Support


There is no way to know if they will go JUCO or not, but spending more money can help.

zhawks may be right, that it is a waste of money to pile extra money on an ineligible, but CS says it MAY help. That being said, I signed a 4 star ineligible with hardly any effort and in my sampling over the past few seasons, over 75% of ineligibles stay with the team.

thanks. an actual reference from WIS and unbelievably it says spending more money can help. interesting.

Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 12/29/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By jetsons on 12/29/2009
I asked the question of CS last year and here was the response:

If I recruit an Ineligible player at the DI level, is there any guide as to which ones go JuCo and which ones sign? Is it just random or does it depend on money spent, school prestige, player rank etc.


4/6/2008 10:24 PM Customer Support


There is no way to know if they will go JUCO or not, but spending more money can help.

zhawks may be right, that it is a waste of money to pile extra money on an ineligible, but CS says it MAY help. That being said, I signed a 4 star ineligible with hardly any effort and in my sampling over the past few seasons, over 75% of ineligibles stay with the team.

thanks. an actual reference from WIS and unbelievably it says spending more money can help. interesting.

It says there is no way of knowing, that money may help. I think you came into this thread knowing what you wanted to hear and weren't willing to hear anything else.

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No I am not offended, I am mearly pointing out exactly what gil pointed out in the other thread A) CS has been known to be wrong (I myself have experianced this many times) B) Reading too much into a CS statement is not a good idea and that is exactly what is done there, CS did not say "Spending more money on a recruit will increase his chances of coming to campus" and that is what everyone is reading that as.

Run a forum search for Bruce Eanes. You will have your answer.

OOO that Bruce Eanes burns my hide!

I've only lost one DI ineligible that signed with my school. If I remember right, I only spent about $3,000 on him, and he was a 4-star recruit. Since my team was a pretty low mid-major, it would have taken a lot more to sign that same quality eligible recruit.

Every other DI ineligible I've signed has arrived on campus, but I have also done the same kind of recruiting that would have been required to sign a similarly-rated eligible recruit.

Sample size is probably about 10 ineligibles over my HD career, if I had to make a guess.