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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 1/06/2010
So gotta ask then, what is the number you want before it is not an issue anymore? Spot on here....blacks make up about 12% of the population....we're at around 10% now...I'm with schroed...what's the magic number...they won't say one.

The whole race thing is just so overworked it seems anymore. I just want it to be done with so everyone can back to what sports are about, who is the best not who is the best white, black, hispanic. Absolutely agreed...some folks still act like we're living in the segregated South in the 50s
First off this entire topic of conversation is stupid; there used to be a stigma about hiring black coaches in general (this applies to assistant coaches and graduate assistants which is where most coaches get their starts)...As a result you naturally wouldn't have many head coaches as they wouldn't be "qualified" candidates moving up the pecking order. That stigma has been gone for nearly a decade if not longer and if you take a look at the landscape in coaching you'll find the amount of coordinators who are black has gone up exponentially. Its no coincidence that during that same time the number of head coaching positions filled by black candidates has to gone up. Its simply a matter of gaining experience proving yourself and thereby putting yourself in the best position to land a job.With the amount of pressure to win and win now, schools are hiring the most qualified person for the job and the years go by you’ll see more black coaches as there are now more in the coaching ladder.

As to your points the first one is nonsensical to even make but once you are your statistics are meaningless. While 12% of the population might be black, the % of college football players who are black is much higher so if you want to have some type of ratio of race/coaches your starting point is wrong (and to even suggest doing so is inane).

Your point about the South is also ridiculous as the South has been the leader in giving black coaches more opportunities.

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Quote: Originally Posted By desando3 on 1/06/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 1/06/2010
So gotta ask then, what is the number you want before it is not an issue anymore?

The whole race thing is just so overworked it seems anymore. I just want it to be done with so everyone can back to what sports are about, who is the best not who is the best white, black, hispanic.
So, you must be for quotas.

It will stop being an issue when qualified minority candidates are not passed over for retread white candidates. Until then it will be an issue and rightfully so.



As more black coaches are hired and fired you'll begin to see the #of black retread coaches rise as well. People generally prefer to hire those with perceived experience over taking a chance on someone new in general. A perfect example of this is the NBA where the opportunities for black coaches came along more quickly than college and other professional sports. In that sport skin color is not an issue and blacks and whites are retread equally.

In the NFL until recently when hiring the young guy became the new thing (which irnoically led to the hiring of both young black and white coaches) The retread system not only prevented blacks from getting jobs but whites as well (the common denominator being guys who hadnt received a chance).
1/7/2010 10:08 AM
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Your point about the South is also ridiculous as the South has been the leader in giving black coaches more opportunities.


Ask Charlie Strong about why he didn't get a head coaching job in the SEC.




He is actually a great example of what I was talking about. He is someone who previously wouldnt have gotten an opportunity but because he first became a graduate assistant he later got opportunities at major universities to move up the ranks. Im not 100% familiar with his career but Im pretty sure he coached at Notre Dame, South Carolina and now Florida.

He was also hired now by Louisville who last time I checked was in the South.

What does the SEC have to do with anything? Last time I checked they didnt exactly have any job openings this season? Oh, wait they did...Kentucky...who hired a black coach...

Look I'm not saying that for many years race had nothing to do with the lack of black coaches as it clearly did. What I am saying is its a systematic change that was made 15-20 years ago in the entire process which takes time to filter through...as you see more black coaches get access at the entry level the total number of black head coaches has increased and will continue to increase.
1/7/2010 10:15 AM
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mmt, college sports and pro sports are completely different animals. using the two together takes away from your relatively cogent argument.
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Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 1/07/2010
Your point about the South is also ridiculous as the South has been the leader in giving black coaches more opportunities.

I said some people treat today's world like we're living in the segregated South in the 1950s, not that the South gives or doesn't give out head coaching positions to blacks.
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Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 1/07/2010mmt, college sports and pro sports are completely different animals. using the two together takes away from your relatively cogent argument
Not entirely, specifically in hiring practices and how college sports today has become just as big business as profesional sports...hence the hoopola over the BCS...While they arent identical parallels can be drawn specifically in hiring practices.
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Quote: Originally Posted By blaank182 on 1/07/2010if Joker Phillips is as timid as a head coach as he was calling plays then he won't be around long
He's had a freshmen quarterback for the past 2 seasons. Generally, your offense is more vanilla until your freshmen are more seasoned
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Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 1/07/2010



As more black coaches are hired and fired you'll begin to see the #of black retread coaches rise as well. People generally prefer to hire those with perceived experience over taking a chance on someone new in general.

Three black coaches were fired in the last 12 months. It's too soon to see if they'll get another opportunity. Tyrone Willingham (Washington); Sylverster Croom (Mississippi St.); and Ron Prince (Kansas St).

This was Willingham's 3rd head coaching job, after Stanford and Notre Dame.

Croom is now the running backs coach at Virginia. Prince is an assistant for the Rams
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Which usually proves that any study that tries to prove something like a "segregation number" is just so much made up crap!

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