Quote: Originally posted by isack24 on 1/07/2010As sick as some people are of people questioning the vets, I've been getting a lot "I know because I'm a vet, so listen to me" lately.I'm not saying that's you, because you give an awful lot of great info, but this is just one of those situations where it isn't acceptable to say, "well...some vets think so, some people who have no idea just follow the vets, so that means that it is true." I'm sure that someone who is a lot smarter than me can prove that the press is overly-effective. This simply isn't proof. Now, if 3 of 11 teams in Phelan run press, and yet 8 of 11 in the NT run press, well that's an indication. Even then, it's difficult to say because maybe it's just that the best coaches run press. And that may be because the press is more effective and they know it, or maybe it's just because that's what they picked.The fact is, VD cherrypicked 11 of the 64 teams. Who cares about non-traditional teams? Those teams might be more talented than the traditional ones. It was an odd, small sample.Like I said, he might be right, but this doesn't even come close to proving anything.
oh, i agree with you 100% the example given proves nothing. when VD gives you a stat to demonstrate the press is overly effective, it would be very unwise to take it at face value :P also, i am not trying to pass judgment on the effectiveness of the press.
but, IF it actually turned out that for all of HD, 8 of 11 teams played press, or any defense/offense for that matter, that would be quite remarkable. i concede it proves nothing. but it is quite a strong indicator. forget about the people who have no idea what is going on, for a minute. for the remainder, do you agree there is a connection between their perception of reality and reality? it can very often be wrong, at an individual level. but if the community as a whole favored one set so strongly, i can't see how that wouldn't indicate that set was over powered.
when you put the people with no idea what is going on back in the system, they should select themselves randomly between the sets. unless, like you suggested, they are influenced by the community. but, that is a community with some idea what is going on, so i don't think they invalidate anything.
of course, this 8 of 11 scenario is totally made up. and i am not trying to suggest in the slightest that if a vet says the press is better, it makes it true. but, if the entire community so massively favors the press, while it does not prove anything... doesn't it make a pretty strong suggestion?
maybe i am not following you completely. i think i get what you are saying and agree with a lot of it. but i think there being a correlation between our perception of reality and reality (in the context of the sim) directly implies the community playing 8/11ths press would indicate the press was over powered. are you disagreeing with that implication? or the correlation between our perception of reality and reality?