Quote: Originally Posted By phillyfan009 on 1/20/2010What I think is funny...are the non-related baseball injuries. I had 2 of them thus far in my early HBD experience. 1 for 13 days....he must have been hanging from a chandelier or something. They should tell us what happened there ...like they do in the HBD injuries....

I.E. " Bart Simpson just got injured tripping up a curb. He fell face first on the ground, and will be out a few days with contusions.

Even better if you find out a few days later that what really happened was some psyco stripper at a club beat him over the head with her high heeled shoe when he didn't give a big enough tip for a lap dance.

That would be funny. Spice the injuries up some...make us laugh a little.

"George's hemmorhoids have flared up again and he'll have to sit out - check that - stand by - for the next three days."

That was a great one tecwrg!


" Hector was riding his bike for cardio exercise- He suddenly hit a bump, his seat flew off, and for some reason he has a huge lump in his throat.

I think former Buffalo Bill QB Rob Johnson once missed games due to cotton mouth, a hangnail, and a really hardcore case of back acne.

Joaquin Andujar pulled himself out of a game once with jock itch.

JUST HAD A 100 HEALTH PLAYER BLOW OUT BOTH KNEES, OUT FOR THE YEAR, AND LOST 8 OVERALL POINTS (MOSTLY DEFENSE AND SPEED)....



i wish it weren't true, but **** happens.

Quote: Originally Posted By cespencer on 1/20/2010Once had 3 long-term injuries occur within a week - to guys with health ratings of 98, 98 & 92. Since then I've noticed (anecdotal only) that short-term injuries are correlated with the health rating, but long-term injuries are random

my impression also

I've found that low health guys almost always get injured at some point and higher health guys seldom get injured. I think it's supposed to work like that.

I would love to see the addition of injuries that don't require a player to be benched or put on the DL. Let someone have a bruised ankle or sore back and make it your decision to play him at 85% or let him sit. He can still come off the bench as a PH and is only down to 85% for a few days until healthy.

Low health guys are a risk because the constant smaller injuries interfer with development - once developed the risk becomes the "career threatening" injuries and I'm unconvinced these correlate with health ratings - if they do it is certainly less correlated than the smaller injuries which seem to rarely occur with high health individuals and when they do seldom effect their ratings.

"Career-threatening" injuries are a fact of life and almost any player should have some risk for these as they occur in MLB to players who have never had an injury. I wonder if the rare player with a 100 health rating (the presumed cal ripken - lou gehrig type) should be suspectable to baseball injuries. Perhaps like Gehrig if they are knocked out of commission it should be by a non-baseball event.

I always use Jason Kendall and Derek Jeter as high health guys as examples of fluke injuries.

Both players were never hurt. Kendall caught a phenomenal amount of games until his ankle all but fell off when he stepped on firstbase wrong.

Jeter virtually never missed a game until a tag play at 3B, by a catcher, screwed up his shoulder.

Both players reverted to every day form the following season.

Part of the problem with this discussion is that Real Life players have no discernable "Health" ratings. In HBD, I'm sure you could find plenty of examples of guys with terrible "Health" who played a decade without a serious or long injury, and also examples of guys with high "Health" ratings who suffered 3 or more serious injuries.

These examples are absent from Real Life because all we have to go on is actually injury history. If a guy has 3 major injuries in 7 seasons, we call him injury-prone. If a guy doesn't suffer major injury, we call him durable. There is no possible way to see underneath and assess that Player A suffered 3 major injuries because he is injury-prone (i.e. has some underlying predilection towards injury) while Player B, who has a similar injury history, was not injury prone and merely got very unlucky on 3 different occasions.

And there's no way to tell that Player X never got hurt because he was built that way, while Player Y never got hurt because, despite being injury prone, he just got lucky and the injury dice never came up craps.

I kind of like the fact that "Health" rating is fuzzy. I think it mimics Real Life more by being this way. There's no way IRL to draft a kid and say "That kid's going to stay healthy for me." There's a lot of luck involved. Keeping Health fuzzy keeps luck involved in HBD.

Quote: Originally Posted By grivfmd1 on 1/21/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By cespencer on 1/20/2010
Once had 3 long-term injuries occur within a week - to guys with health ratings of 98, 98 & 92. Since then I've noticed (anecdotal only) that short-term injuries are correlated with the health rating, but long-term injuries are random.

my impression also

Not my impression regarding pitchers (but no hard data)-- I've seen plenty of those ace pitching prospects with health ratings of 40-60 have 1-2 catastrophic arm injuries in the minors and fail to develop. If I have time in the next couple of days I'll try to look at first-round draftees and see how # of overall and 60-day DL visits correlate with health ratings at time of drafting, and whether that differs for pitchers vs. position players.

My anecdotal impression is that it's moderately rare to have a position player that isn't a middle infielder have a catastrophic injury, and so the appearance (or possibly fact) that health isn't related to major injuries among position players.

Quote: Originally Posted By double-a on 1/20/2010Ok in all seriousness I understand that. It just seems like to me the high health rating guys get hurt just as often as the low health rating guys.

I admit this is entirely anecdotal.

Obviously I am just mad that my high health SP got hurt for 360 days

This is how I look at the Health Rating - How quickly a player can recover from an injury, based on the type of injury.

If we took 200 players, 100 with a broken leg, and 100 with a sore wrist, the 100 with the broken leg would be injured for longer amounts of time than the 100 with sore wrists. Within these groups, some players will heal quicker or more slowly than others.

The health rating doesnt prevent injury, so a high health rated player can still break bones, they will just heal quicker than a low health rated player would.