Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/27/2010I think the "key" with this guy might be the change in teams. Although I must admit that 3 pts in one category between seasons does seem a bit odd. I doubt I could dig thru every team I've ever had and find that for a 31 year old

It wasn't really "between seasons". What we're seeing is the "Spring Training" numbers, i.e. right after rollover. The 3 point pickup was most likely throughout S13, probably a point each at three different development cycles. And being the first season with the new team, with better training and coaches, it was more of a "catch-up" to where he should have been under other circumstances.

Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 1/27/2010
If possible, I'd also like to know where you got the "pitchers peak later than hitters [in HBD]" from. It's possible Admin/CS/Developers have said that, but I don't recall seeing it.

Does the Makeup rating influence how quickly or slowly a player over the age of 27 will decline? There are/were many ML players who were still productive in their late 30s/early 40s but I don't see that in HBD. (Weena - Hall of Famer - 1:33 PM)

Makeup impacts how quick a player will reach his peak and how fast he will fall off his peak. Each player has a unique peak age. From there, how quick a player fades is based on makeup rating and training staff. Pitchers tend to peak later and hold off on declining longer.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/27/2010I think the "key" with this guy might be the change in teams. Although I must admit that 3 pts in one category between seasons does seem a bit odd. I doubt I could dig thru every team I've ever had and find that for a 31 year old

That's about as close as I'll ever get to an apology from Mike, and I'll accept.

Yeah, OK, that was like an apology. Now you're really reaching.

Quote: Originally Posted By prezuiwf on 1/27/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 1/27/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By prezuiwf on 1/27/2010
It doesn't seem that strange to me. I have a 31-year old starter who has gotten bumps in several categories over the past year. It's been long known that pitchers peak later than hitters, and at various times depending on the pitcher.

Can you link the starter?

If he has any gains in the raw categories, I'd be mildly surprised at that, too. I've had pitchers continue to improve, even in raw categories, past age 27 and even up to 30 I believe, but never in a stop & start fashion. Once the decline begins, I haven't seen anyone reverse it since the training bug fix.

If possible, I'd also like to know where you got the "pitchers peak later than hitters [in HBD]" from. It's possible Admin/CS/Developers have said that, but I don't recall seeing it.

Ebenezer Brett

Former Cy Young winner, got demolished by a torn labrum in season 8, so the main thing that's different between Brett and the OP's guy is that Brett hasn't seen any age-related decline yet (just injury-related).

However, between spring training of season 9 and his current status in season 10, he has gained 2 points in control, 1 in stamina, 1 in vLH, 2 in vRH, 2 in P1, and 1 in P3. He also got a point in fielding arm strength. All this at the age of 31. Even if you JUST counted the gains since the start of this season, he's gotten 5 points overall in various pitching ratings. And that's even after getting a minor injury this year.

I think that injury is a *major* difference. If I am reading the ratings correctly, your guy's gains all still just get him closer to his pre-injury ratings, but they haven't had him exceed any of those pre-injury ratings (particularly in the raw categories).

The original guy, on the other hand, somehow added a point in a raw category (stamina) 8 seasons after he had last seen (S6) that same rating (24) in the category) and added 3 points (to 71) in a skill category (vLH) after staying stagnant for the four seasons prior and never having been above 69 before (S9).

Quote: Originally Posted By prezuiwf on 1/27/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 1/27/2010

If possible, I'd also like to know where you got the "pitchers peak later than hitters [in HBD]" from. It's possible Admin/CS/Developers have said that, but I don't recall seeing it.

Does the Makeup rating influence how quickly or slowly a player over the age of 27 will decline? There are/were many ML players who were still productive in their late 30s/early 40s but I don't see that in HBD. (Weena - Hall of Famer - 1:33 PM)

Makeup impacts how quick a player will reach his peak and how fast he will fall off his peak. Each player has a unique peak age. From there, how quick a player fades is based on makeup rating and training staff. Pitchers tend to peak later and hold off on declining longer.

Very good to know. I'd suspected it was true based on how the training bug impacted players differently, but wasn't aware they had confirmed it. Thanks.

Quote: Originally posted by sanderbear on 1/27/2010I just thought it was ironic that a 32-yo improved that much, out of nowhere, but is having a worse year nonetheless. I know relievers can be very inconsistent.

This is not an example of Irony

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