Why is this guy not a better scorer? Topic

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Quote: Originally Posted By gbous314 on 1/30/2010I was talking more in general, mostly the past 2 seasons. He started last year and did not perform well and he was mid 70s in ath and lp. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was panicking, I was just sort of looking for an explanation of why he wasn't that great of a LP threat over his career so far. At the start of last season I gave him 8 distro, he shot in the 30s percentage wise, and I reduced his distro until he was shooting a good percentage
He shot 54% last year. You didn't give him a chance.
1/30/2010 4:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By gbous314 on 1/30/2010



I was talking more in general, mostly the past 2 seasons. He started last year and did not perform well and he was mid 70s in ath and lp.

gbous, I'm not sure I follow. Your guy shot 54% last season, you just didn't let him shoot very much. If you want him to shoot more, increase his distro.

I didn't mean to make it sound like I was panicking, I was just sort of looking for an explanation of why he wasn't that great of a LP threat over his career so far. At the start of last season I gave him 8 distro, he shot in the 30s percentage wise, and I reduced his distro until he was shooting a good percentage.

1/30/2010 5:28 PM
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I really dont get this. What happened with that guy last season that he started every game and averaged 2 ppg on 54 percent shooting...
1/30/2010 11:59 PM
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He started to shoot well because his distro was at a point where he was performing well as I saw it. Zhawks, how much do you change an individual's distro over the entire season? I am trying to learn more about a players ability to score and how ratings and distribution affect this. If a guy doesn't shoot well and he turns it over when he has a certain amount of distro over the course of a few games, I take distro away from him and put it elsewhere. Is the right way to do it to just determine your best scorers before any games are played and put a certain amount of distro into him and not adjust it based on game stats and how the other player's ratings may be affecting his shooting percentage and turnover ratio? Basically, I know I didn't give him the ball, and I know that if I want him to shoot more I need to increase his distribution. My question is just why he was not more effective when I gave him the ball more, and why was he so effective when I took the ball out of his hands almost completely?
1/31/2010 1:53 AM
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To answer an earlier question, he would get about 6-8 to start, and 3 players he started with had more distro than him (ranged from 2-10 points more), and one had less. I guess I am not making my question clear, because I feel he only became more effective (started to shoot in the 50s and lowered his turnover rate) when I took distro and put it elsewhere.
1/31/2010 2:00 AM
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gbous...I think I get your situation. I believe what happened is you thought you were giving him enough distro, and when he didn't perform you took the ball away from him. THEN he started shooting better. My guess is you never really called enough plays for him. I see that you called more in game 3 and he scored 10 pts. I would try getting him 15-16 shots when the match up is good and 8-10 even when it isn't great. To do this you may have to bump his distro up to 2-2.5 X's more than the next player when you want the 15-16 shots, and make it even or maybe a little higher than the next guy when you're looking for less shots. Remember, though, that some players are more aggresive with the ball than others and just look for more shots. The best way to learn who is & who isn't on your team is to set all distro at 0 for 2-3 games, then adjust it accourdingly. Anyway, just a suggestion...
1/31/2010 7:19 AM
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if you set his distro in 30-40 range, he'll shoot
1/31/2010 3:37 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by gbous314 on 1/31/2010He started to shoot well because his distro was at a point where he was performing well as I saw it.  Zhawks, how much do you change an individual's distro over the entire season?  I am trying to learn more about a players ability to score and how ratings and distribution affect this.  If a guy doesn't shoot well and he turns it over when he has a certain amount of distro over the course of a few games, I take distro away from him and put it elsewhere.  Is the right way to do it to just determine your best scorers before any games are played and put a certain amount of distro into him and not adjust it based on game stats and how the other player's ratings may be affecting his shooting percentage and turnover ratio?  Basically, I know I didn't give him the ball, and I know that if I want him to shoot more I need to increase his distribution.  My question is just why he was not more effective when I gave him the ball more, and why was he so effective when I took the ball out of his hands almost completely?


It doesn't matter what I do and what I don't do, the fact is you are complaining about a player not scoring when you aren't giving him the ball. You can't judge things based on 2 games. You just can't, it's not accurate. Sometimes I never change my distro sometimes I change it a few times a year, never before we are 12 or so games into the season tho, there just isn't enough data to prove one thing or another after 2 or 5 games.
1/31/2010 4:37 PM
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Alright thanks for your help guys. I think it would be funny if Coach Ryan or Bob Knight decided to let a guy shoot 30% for 12 games in a row before they decided to lessen his role a bit. Maybe I am not thinking straight for this game. I still have a lot to learn, that is for sure.
1/31/2010 7:32 PM
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But a good coach also would not tell his best player not to shoot the ball if they were in a shooting slump.
1/31/2010 7:34 PM
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Bob Knight told Coach K that he couldn't shoot at all one game at West Point. They were playing a good team, Coach K wasn't shooting that well to start off his collegiate career (apparently he turned out not to be a good shooter in college) and he wanted to get the other shooters involved, so Coach K wasn't allowed to take a shot. And when he went up for a shot late in the game when they were leading, he passed it off on the last second. Afterwards, Bob Knight would say that that shot "saved his life". I agree with you to an extent, but sometimes it doesn't seem cut and dry to me who is the best scorer on your team and how he is going to play against a certain defense or matchup. I'm not trying to criticize anyone, even though it seemed like people wanted to belittle me by saying "have him shoot more if you want him to score more." I understand where you guys are coming from, and I don't think I will be so quick to lessen a guys role if he has a few bad games.
1/31/2010 7:41 PM
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Z had it right: A few bad games literally means nothing. And I do mean nothing.
1/31/2010 9:04 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by gbous314 on 1/31/2010Alright thanks for your help guys.  I think it would be funny if Coach Ryan or Bob Knight decided to let a guy shoot 30% for 12 games in a row before they decided to lessen his role a bit.  Maybe I am not thinking straight for this game.  I still have a lot to learn, that is for sure.

You are forgetting that Coach K and Ryan have... about 4,000 other things to view their players on and know if they were in a 'shooting slump', whereas we have 1, the box score.

Your analogy does not hold up.
1/31/2010 10:50 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by gbous314 on 1/31/2010Bob Knight told Coach K that he couldn't shoot at all one game at West Point.  They were playing a good team, Coach K wasn't shooting that well to start off his collegiate career (apparently he turned out not to be a good shooter in college) and he wanted to get the other shooters involved, so Coach K wasn't allowed to take a shot.  And when he went up for a shot late in the game when they were leading, he passed it off on the last second.  Afterwards, Bob Knight would say that that shot "saved his life".  I agree with you to an extent, but sometimes it doesn't seem cut and dry to me who is the best scorer on your team and how he is going to play against a certain defense or matchup.  I'm not trying to criticize anyone, even though it seemed like people wanted to belittle me by saying "have him shoot more if you want him to score more."  I understand where you guys are coming from, and I don't think I will be so quick to lessen a guys role if he has a few bad games. 

The thing is this is also not real life. You have the ratings right in front of you who is good and who isnt. Its a lot more cut and dry than it is in RL.
1/31/2010 11:43 PM
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