March Madness going to 96 teams Topic

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Look at the history, every time their was an expansion there would be people saying that the new format was too big. I know a few guys that still remember the 32 team days and they say thats the only way to play the tournament.
2/1/2010 1:55 PM
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its probably impossible to find, but I'd also like to see the number of D1 teams in each of those seasons as well. Currently 18.73% of D1 teams make the tournament (65/347)...I think that's plenty.
2/1/2010 1:56 PM
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Lets drop the tournament down to 32 teams or 16 then. You haven't had anyone over a #4 seed in the last 10+ years anyways.

Only non-top 4 seeds to win the tournament.
1988: Kansas #6
1985: Villanova #8
1983: NC State #6

Looks like we could just shrink it down then and cut out the fat right now.
2/1/2010 1:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 2/01/2010
Lets drop the tournament down to 32 teams or 16 then. You haven't had anyone over a #4 seed in the last 10+ years anyways.

Only non-top 4 seeds to win the tournament.
1988: Kansas #6
1985: Villanova #8
1983: NC State #6

Looks like we could just shrink it down then and cut out the fat right now.
You're starting to get ridiculous here. There are 31 auto bids for conference tournament champs....to cut it down to 32 under this format would only leave 1 at-large spot. 65 seems to be and feels just right...I think if you add 31 more, you're dabbling in the deserving/undeserving argument...and most of those teams are probably undeserving. Like I said, at most, bump it up to 72...you get 7 snubs in....20.7% of D1 in the tournament and the most worthy teams get the byes. Anything more than that is ridiculous.

Also, if you add 31/32 teams, those are just play in games for the 13th through 16th seeds....when have you ever seen a team that highly (or lowly) seeded get remotely close to winning the NC? George Mason was an 11 I believe.
2/1/2010 2:03 PM
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We don't need the auto-bids though do we? 80% of them won't win a game or won't get out of the second round anyways.
2/1/2010 2:03 PM
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Well the story is not real, but it is still something fun to speculate about.
2/1/2010 2:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 2/01/2010Lets drop the tournament down to 32 teams or 16 then. You haven't had anyone over a #4 seed in the last 10+ years anyways.

Only non-top 4 seeds to win the tournament.
1988: Kansas #6
1985: Villanova #8
1983: NC State #6

Looks like we could just shrink it down then and cut out the fat right now.
i am pro-16 team tourney.
2/1/2010 2:10 PM
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I am just trying to show you guys that people thought a long time ago they shouldn't add new teams. They did add the teams and now today people accept it as normal and don't want to change it. Over time people will accept it as the best each time.

Why not make it larger? If your defense is that they don't have a chance to win, well I just showed you 32 teams is way more than enough, but really 16 teams would be fine.
2/1/2010 2:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 2/01/2010We don't need the auto-bids though do we? 80% of them won't win a game or won't get out of the second round anyways
It helps bring parity to CBB....a recruit knows he can go anywhere and potentially compete for a national championship, less the Independent schools. I like auto-bids for all CBB conferences because it works...31/65 is less than half...if they did the same thing in CFB I'd hate it, because you'd be looking at 11/16...which is a gross misrepresentation of that "tournament"...and 32 teams in CFB just isn't feasible.
2/1/2010 2:12 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 2/01/2010I am just trying to show you guys that people thought a long time ago they shouldn't add new teams. They did add the teams and now today people accept it as normal and don't want to change it. Over time people will accept it as the best each time. How many teams were in D1 for all those years though, that's what I'd like to see....I'll find what I can on my end, but that is vital information.

Why not make it larger? If your defense is that they don't have a chance to win, well I just showed you 32 teams is way more than enough, but really 16 teams would be fine
2/1/2010 2:13 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by tkimble on 2/01/2010Well the story is not real, but it is still something fun to speculate about.
Actually the story may be fake, but this is something actually being discussed by the NCAA and most likely will be introduced in the next 5 years. There has been a lot of talk around this both on ESPN but also multiple sports talk shows from inside information from the NCAA.
2/1/2010 2:13 PM
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I would like to note for posterity that we have here Colonel Klink and Zarfman agreeing!

Here's my plan. 96 is too many. But this one playin game is hokey. What we need to is to create another cool tv event and the answer is Four count them four playin games. A full slate of four games on Last Spot Tuesday.....or some better name.

BUT, the playin games are not the worst of the at large teams. The play in games are between the bottom two at large teams in each regional seeding - playing for the right to continue as the 12th or 13th or whatever seed would be assigned to the last at large in that region. This should make them games that will be attractive to tv - often BCS teams with fan recognition - teams that have been the subject of bubble talk for a couple of weeks - teams that folks want to see on tv.

So, we have say seeds 12A and 12B in a couple of regions and maybe seeds 13A and 13B in a couple - depending on how the seedings work out. You have four dynamite games in Dayton. Just like the first day of the Tune-a-ment, you have 1:00, 3:45 and then 7:30 and 10:00 games. Making the "last four in" a reality, decided on the court the way it should be.

2/1/2010 2:18 PM
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Source, Official 2005 NCAA Men's Basketball Records Book

D1 teams from 1976-2004...BOLDED TO BREAK UP MONOTONY

76-235; 77-245; 78-254; 79-257; 80-261; 81-264; 82-273; 83-274; 84-276; 85-282; 86-283; 87-290; 88-290; 89-293; 90-292; 91-295; 92-298; 93-298; 94-301; 95-302; 96-305; 97-305; 98-306; 99-310; 00-318; 01-318; 02-321; 03-325; 04-326

Here is the format history that Schroed posted

Format history

The NCAA tournament has expanded a number of times in the last 65 seasons. This is a breakdown of the history of the tournament format:
1939–1950: eight teams
1951–1952: 16 teams
1953–1974: varied between 22 and 25 teams
1975–1978: 32 teams
1979: 40 teams
1980–1982: 48 teams
1983: 52 teams (four play-in games before the tournament)
1984: 53 teams (five play-in games before the tournament)
1985–2000: 64 teams
2001—present: 65 teams
2/1/2010 2:18 PM
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right now Lunardi brackets show:

Last 4 in: ODU, Florida, Cincy, UCONN
First 4 out: Louisville, Seton Hall, Marquette, Wichita State
Next 4 out: Illinois, UVA, UNC, Dayton

So the 8 teams in my four last chance playins would be ODU, Florida, Cinncy, UConn, Illinois, UVA, UNC and Dayton

Now, it wont be those teams exactly, but that is indicative of what I think one should expect 5 or 6 BCS teams and 2 or 3 midmajor etc
2/1/2010 2:21 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 2/01/2010
Source, Official 2005 NCAA Men's Basketball Records Book

D1 teams from 1976-2004...BOLDED TO BREAK UP MONOTONY

76-235; 77-245; 78-254; 79-257; 80-261; 81-264; 82-273; 83-274; 84-276; 85-282; 86-283; 87-290; 88-290; 89-293; 90-292; 91-295; 92-298; 93-298; 94-301; 95-302; 96-305; 97-305; 98-306; 99-310; 00-318; 01-318; 02-321; 03-325; 04-326

Here is the format history that Schroed posted

Format history

The NCAA tournament has expanded a number of times in the last 65 seasons. This is a breakdown of the history of the tournament format:
1939–1950: eight teams
1951–1952: 16 teams
1953–1974: varied between 22 and 25 teams
1975–1978: 32 teams
1979: 40 teams
1980–1982: 48 teams
1983: 52 teams (four play-in games before the tournament)
1984: 53 teams (five play-in games before the tournament)
1985–2000: 64 teams
2001—present: 65 teams

Thank you for finding this, I was looking for this right now myself to see how many teams were added and how many NT spots were too. How many conferences would be helpful too but just to point out "The tournament expanded" is missing a TON of info at best.
2/1/2010 2:24 PM
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